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post #196 of 382
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Originally Posted by Rawdawg3234 View Post

My semi-portable is the HP-P1 by fostex. Which is what the Ed 10's sound the best out of. I don't believe a tube amp is compatible with the ultrasone line up.

 

When I owned ED8s, I felt they sounded best out of portables as well. With a regular amp I felt there was too much bass. Maybe they were tuned to sound best out of an iPod or iPhone. 

post #197 of 382

Interesting, how much will this headphone be retailing once properly released?

post #198 of 382
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

Interesting, how much will this headphone be retailing once properly released?

It's been out since late June. They haven't exactly marketed it very well have they? eek.gif Price new is $1,699 but you should be able to snag it on sale/open box for $1400-1550.
post #199 of 382
Nice to hear your first impressions are positive. Especially as you like the treble more than the PRO 2900 treble. In an interview from a german website, someone from ULTRASONE stated that half of the ED 10's price just comes from its wooden box and stand. So with the ED 12 you have a far mor realistic price just for the phones. That is lessons learned.
Edited by pietcux - 9/7/13 at 11:30pm
post #200 of 382
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Nice to hear your first impressions are positive. Especially as you like the treble more than the PRO 2900 treble. In an interview from a german website, someone from ULTRASONE stated that half of the ED 10's price just comes from its wooden box and stand. So with the ED 12 you have a far mor realistic price just for the phones. That is lessons learned.

 

That explains much. It reminds me of the Sony MDR-10 which came with what was obviously a very expensive case. I think if they restarted product of the headphone with no changes at all, but without the expensive case for the around the price of the LCD-3s or ED-12s they'd sell heaps of them.

post #201 of 382
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Originally Posted by MohawkUS View Post


It's been out since late June. They haven't exactly marketed it very well have they? eek.gif Price new is $1,699 but you should be able to snag it on sale/open box for $1400-1550.

 

Wow, didn't know they were released that long ago. That price is pretty good, considering how much the Limited Edition 10 was when it was released like $2k or something? It still sells for $2.5 now under.

post #202 of 382
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When I owned ED8s, I felt they sounded best out of portables as well. With a regular amp I felt there was too much bass. Maybe they were tuned to sound best out of an iPod or iPhone. 

That's actually an interesting theory. Definitely gonna try and run the Ed 10's through my headstage arrow to see what happens.

Been fighting the urge to buy some Ed 12's. would love the side by side with the 10's. maybe I'll wait till they drop down or pick up a used pair.
post #203 of 382

I've always maintained my Ed. 10 didn't sound half as bad as some reviews suggested.

 

My theory is that Ultrasone's product consistency is poor. I've owned three pairs of Edition 8s over the years (ruthenium, palladium, and the limited edition) and each sounded noticeably different, getting worse with each iteration. I also compared my limited edition---which I regarded as the worst---with a second limited edition and noticed quite a bit more sibilance on my set. So it's entirely possible in my mind that some Ed. 10s sound worse than others.

 

I'll also second the suggestion regarding sources. I find the Edition 10 sounds best straight from my source without any additional external amplification. A lot of amps I've tried tend to exacerbate the issues. Given the sensitivity of these, you really don't need additional amplification anyhow.

 

Granted, the FR isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination. It has definite issues that make it a rather fatiguing listen for me: namely an amorphous bass and glare in the treble. However I find it images well, renders instruments with a very satisfying sense of presence, and possesses a deep, holographic presentation. Makes for an immersive listen. If the Edition 12 can retain these qualities and even out the issues with frequency extremes, I'd be interested in giving it a whirl.

 

Plus I've always personally really liked the butterfly design despite it reminding me of an art deco wall sconce or a Glade plug-in.


Edited by MuppetFace - 9/8/13 at 4:42pm
post #204 of 382
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

I've always maintained my Ed. 10 didn't sound half as bad as some reviews suggested.

My theory is that Ultrasone's product consistency is poor. I've owned three pairs of Edition 8s over the years (ruthenium, palladium, and the limited edition) and each sounded noticeably different, getting worse with each iteration. I also compared my limited edition---which I regarded as the worst---with a second limited edition and noticed quite a bit more sibilance on my set. So it's entirely possible in my mind that some Ed. 10s sound worse than others.

I'll also second the suggestion regarding sources. I find the Edition 10 sounds best straight from my source without any additional external amplification. A lot of amps I've tried tend to exacerbate the issues. Given the sensitivity of these, you really don't need additional amplification anyhow.

Granted, the FR isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination. It has definite issues that make it a rather fatiguing listen for me: namely an amorphous bass and glare in the treble. However I find it images well, renders instruments with a very satisfying sense of presence, and possesses a deep, holographic presentation. Makes for an immersive listen. If the Edition 12 can retain these qualities and even out the issues with frequency extremes, I'd be interested in giving it a whirl.

Plus I've always personally really liked the butterfly design despite it reminding me of an art deco wall sconce or a Glade plug-in.

That's very interesting, with my amp I can actually bypass the amplification and run them direct off my source. I'll be sure to do that when I write my full review. Update: Actually I won't be doing this. I tried it and I do not get sufficient volume. I may give it a try with my other sources but I believe my digital source is the loudest one already. Anyway I can state that doing this you not only lose volume but dynamics and timbrel information. Bass guitar for instance, you hear the note but not the decay which makes it sound more like a synth than an actual instrument.

As for the ED8s, I hate to ask, but how long was each pair of headphones burned in? I didn't use to believe in burn in until I owned the PRO2900s. And those go through some crazy changes. First the bass gets real loud and 'fun', then it drops off so far you think the headphones are broken(there are many threads on this subject), and then it evens out to it's normal level. I wonder if that is also the case with the ED series, if Ultrasone runs them for say 50hrs in the factory you're be receiving them in the 'bass less and broken sounding' stage assuming they go through the same changes.
Edited by MohawkUS - 9/9/13 at 11:53am
post #205 of 382
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That's very interesting, with my amp I can actually bypass the amplification and run them direct off my source. I'll be sure to do that when I write my full review.

As for the ED8s, I hate to ask, but how long was each pair of headphones burned in? I didn't use to believe in burn in until I owned the PRO2900s. And those go through some crazy changes. First the bass gets real loud and 'fun', then it drops off so far you think the headphones are broken(there are many threads on this subject), and then it evens out to it's normal level. I wonder if that is also the case with the ED series, if Ultrasone runs them for say 50hrs in the factory you're be receiving them in the 'bass less and broken sounding' stage assuming they go through the same changes.

 

My experience with my (now sold) Ed.8LEs is that about 40 hours burn-in after they arrived and then they settled right in with no changes. The thing affected most by burn-in was the the treble smoothed out to my ears (or it took my head to adjust).

post #206 of 382
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Originally Posted by MohawkUS View Post


As for the ED8s, I hate to ask, but how long was each pair of headphones burned in? I didn't use to believe in burn in until I owned the PRO2900s. And those go through some crazy changes. First the bass gets real loud and 'fun', then it drops off so far you think the headphones are broken(there are many threads on this subject), and then it evens out to it's normal level. I wonder if that is also the case with the ED series, if Ultrasone runs them for say 50hrs in the factory you're be receiving them in the 'bass less and broken sounding' stage assuming they go through the same changes.

 

I rarely leave headphones plugged in playing music to burn in, as this always struck me as pointless. Rather I usually listen to headphones over the course of several weeks and on various sources before I feel I have a grasp of their sound, not so much because I believe in significant changes due to physical burn in (or disbelieve them), but rather because I know for a fact *I* require time to adjust at the very least and can go through different phases, moods, genre fixations, etc. Sometimes I'll even go back and add to my impressions after a year of ownership just because my perspective changes. My methodology isn't so much writing reviews as a result, but rather I prefer to post in the form of diary entries.

 

In the case of the Ultrasone Ed. 8s I owned the rutheniums for about a year, half the time of which I owned the palladiums simultaneously, and then the limited editions for something like two years.

 

I also owned the PRO 2900. To this day I'm not exactly sure *what* I experienced with those as far as my psychoacoustic adjustment goes (LOL), but I tend to regard them as one of the all time worst headphones I've ever owned.

 

Can't say I've experienced any significant changes with the Ed. 10 since getting it, and overall I've generally liked its sound, though some setups definitely bring out its flaws.


Edited by MuppetFace - 9/8/13 at 6:00pm
post #207 of 382

I'm voting for a Muppetface ED12 review.

 

I'd get them if it wasn't for all that premium material stuff. Really like the Signature series, they are quite underrated, I think Ultrasone is on a very good path since releasing them.

post #208 of 382

I have a question: how can the ear pads of the ED 10/12 be exchanged?

post #209 of 382
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post


Sigh...

 

 

+1

post #210 of 382
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post

I have a question: how can the ear pads of the ED 10/12 be exchanged?

They use the same system as Hifiman, they are attached by a few plastic tabs. They don't spin off like the majority of Ultrasones do.
A little inconvenient but when I owned the 2900s I somehow managed to turn the earpads just enough for them to drop off while the headphones were on my head, so it's a welcome change in my eyes. If you were going to be swapping pads a lot I'd have concerns about the little tabs holding up; not to mention how much of a pain they are to get back on.
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