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post #166 of 311
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post
 

A lot of headphones that are classed as flagships, TOTL should not and this is a reflection on it's sound quality and pricing only, aesthetics, quality and reliability is another thing. 

 

Once you start to observe and try out a lot of things you start seeing that hype trains, brand bandwagons have a lot to play in this whole head gear game, just thank yourself one day if you get out of the game not ending up a lunatic or something.

 

I definitely agree with you... Audio gear passionates crowds and it's easy to fall in mass hallucinatiion and the most difficult thing in this business is to believe in what our ears say ONLY and not to rely on what people say on forums. Though experimented advices are really precious . I'm very noob on this business but I frequently noted I heard things differently from others. 

 

I mostly avoid to speak in term of value or hi-end vs mid-fi vs whatever.  Price is a major bias in headphone and overally audio gear appreciation. IMO.  The only question is ( still in my opinion) : Do I like what I hear ? How much money I personnaly want to get this ?  

post #167 of 311

Exactly, if you like it and think it sounds great to your ears that's all that matters. But just don't end up being one of those people that start using there own opinions as facts and start rubbing it in other peoples face with wrong information or something.

 

E.g those people that praise how night and day differently better the LCD3's are over the 2's, sure they sound good, include subjective opinions/impressions varying from every individual, but the figures don't lie and tell you how much is better once you look at the measurements.

 

Than there are those that just attack others because they are a fanboi or just trying to justify there product because they spent so much money on a piece of crap.

post #168 of 311
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A 'Toll' is a tall, spindly creature that is incredibly Camera-shy.
However, it is also incredibly gullible and can easily be fooled into appearing on film.

It has been observed having difficulty drinking water without half-drowing itself.
Aww, look! That Toll choked on some water it was drinking and now it has the hiccups!
Quick! Get the Camera!

Infinitely helpful.

 

Regarding TOTL (thank you guys), I've gone back and forth and I tend to, with headphones at least, rely on a single model for years and years and years. The first mid-end headphone I ever got into was the AD900 and then I picked up the DT880/250. Now I have kept the DT880/600 after owning pretty much the gamut of cool headphones in the sub-1000$ category. I've spent much more on earphones in the last three years, primarily because I've been on the road. 

Headphones I got into as a 12 year old back in 1991 or so, but only had the dosh to explore late in the 1990's. By then, however, I was enamoured by speakers. Fortunately, my Tannoys were given me and the integrated power amp I got didn't put me back too much. Then, I began moving. And moving. Country after country.

Pretty settled now and back into speakers, but our flat isn't good at insulating neighbours from neighbours and complaints run from doing dishes to brushing teeth, so my speakers get used only during the daytime. Back to HF. I'm testing loads of headphones and again, found that the wall I'm up against mostly isn't SQ.

 

Most headphones have something they do really well and other areas maybe that they don't. It's comfort. 

I loved the various Ultrasone models I've owned in the past, but until the ed9 yoke design, the headbands were way too large for me head. I had to put carpet under the headband in order to prop up the headphones. I sold all of them. The ED12 fit much better, though still on the loose side. I'm looking for a low Ω partner to the DT880/600 and the ED12 may be it, though I won't make that decision before the end of this year. I loved the moments I spent with it early this year and the few moments since then. Time will tell.

 

But comfort is very high with the 12 and that is of utmost importance to me. 

post #169 of 311
Toll could be the German term for fantastic, often with a negative touch. But who used it?
post #170 of 311
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post
 

Exactly, if you like it and think it sounds great to your ears that's all that matters. But just don't end up being one of those people that start using there own opinions as facts and start rubbing it in other peoples face with wrong information or something.

 

Oh yeah. I did this mistake sometimes but I known it's a better option tu shut my mouth most of the time. I have a 42 yeas old brain bbetween my ears and he did so many mistakes that he's more cautious now. :o

post #171 of 311
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post

Toll could be the German term for fantastic, often with a negative touch. But who used it?

It was my mistake; I meant to write 'TOTL' but wrote 'TOLL' instead. 

post #172 of 311
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I don't get Ultrasone's S-Logic.


I have listened to 3 different models of Ultrasone and they all sound over-bright and tizzy.

And, yes, one was the ED10... That's why I don't own one.

I must be crazy.. Everyone it seems dislikes the Ed 10 which confuses me because I absolutely love them. I will admit that I don't like how they come across on my desktop, which is a tube amp, so I only listen on my semi-portable and I love them. Their forward sound and snapping bass makes them perfect for long sessions at reasonable volumes while working on a hobby. Their lightweight and comfort allows me to forget I have them on. Often ending in me standing up and pulling them askew on my head.

In regards to volume I feel, as with the lcd3, that I am constantly pushing the volume higher and higher because there is a saturation at higher volumes that is addicting. I don't have that issue with the 10's.

Anyways. Has anyone actually heard the 12's?
Edited by Rawdawg3234 - 9/5/13 at 5:35am
post #173 of 311
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Anyways. Has anyone actually heard the 12's?

 

 

Unfortunately no. A (very very experienced  :eek: ) friend of mine had one during the first three weeks of august and returned it to Ultrasone before I can Hear it. He owned ed10 a few month ago and really liked it. His (very summarized) opinion is "more balanced ed10 , less bright but overall same signature - good headphones - not a revolution" -  His pseudonym here on head-fi is Superfred21. 

post #174 of 311

I have heard them but in total probably no more than 25 minutes and mostly in somewhat noisy circumstances. I suppose you could say that my opinion counts with a grain of salt. That would be fair. 

post #175 of 311

Did I already mention, that I love to see movement in this thread? Since it was announced month have gone by. It has been widely ignored by the authorities on several occasions like the High End in München or shows in Japan. The same happened to the Signature PRO / DJ in the last two years. As I own both and have owned other that got approval by the authorities I made up my own opinion. At least Jan Meier offers both, the SIG PRO and the EDITION 12 side by side with the HD 800 and the BEYERDYNAMIC T1/T5. He does not offer the ED 10 though, that is probably a bit on the bright side like the PRO 900/2900. Anyways, I am super curious about the first real listening impressions by someone who paid his hard earned money for this cans and wants to give them a chance.


Edited by pietcux - 9/5/13 at 12:00pm
post #176 of 311
I've noticed that most ultrasone fans are pretty tight lipped about their cans. Maybe because there seems to be more love/hate with ultrasones which illicit arguments?
Not sure but some folks seem downright angry that someone would like something that they deem unsuitable.
Anyway I'm anxious to demo the 12's myself. I think it's impossible to get an accurate impression of a headphone with only a short session. I remember my first impression of the hd800's. I was blown out of the water by the clarity, crispness and soundstage. Only after days of trial did I realize the sound was not for me. They exposed the weaknesses of my setup and I could not wrap my head around the slowness of them.
post #177 of 311
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 I must be crazy.. Everyone it seems dislikes the Ed 10 which confuses me because I absolutely love them.

I probably would love them too if the amp used with then was severely rolled off over 5KHz.......

post #178 of 311
Quote:Rawdawg3234
 I remember my first impression of the hd800's. I was blown out of the water by the clarity, crispness and soundstage. Only after days of trial did I realize the sound was not for me. They exposed the weaknesses of my setup and I could not wrap my head around the slowness of them.

The slowness is a problem with the rest of your system, not the HD800.

post #179 of 311
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I probably would love them too if the amp used with then was severely rolled off over 5KHz.......
We all saw the review on Inner Fidelity. And yes I belive that the ED10 is a bright sounding headphone. But I would like to know, how long did you listen to it honestly. I myself had no chance yet, but I know the PRO 2900/900 and HFI-3200 pretty good. These are bright for sure. And all newer headphones from the Signature line are not bright at all even though they have SLOGIC driver placement as well. So the SLOGIC cannot be the root cause for the brightness. And also not the MU metall baffle or the titan or gold coated drivers. I also own the PRO 550 and it is not bright.
Edited by pietcux - 9/6/13 at 4:10am
post #180 of 311
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The slowness is a problem with the rest of your system, not the HD800.

That's what I said.. Even though I believe the soundstage has something to do with the "slowness" I was talking about. Same thing happened with my hd650's. they were garbage to me. They're definitely not for "faster" music.
Edited by Rawdawg3234 - 9/6/13 at 11:40am
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