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post #16 of 192

cool looking amp!!! love that blue!

post #17 of 192

I wonder how the DSHA-1 would be with R10s, hmmm.

post #18 of 192
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Originally Posted by blubliss View Post

I wonder how the DSHA-1 would be with R10s, hmmm.

 

Interesting thought.  I have a recently-bought DSHA-1, absolutely love it, and brought it to the recent NY Spring Meet.  Vinny from RWA had the R-10 there....never the two did meet, but perhaps someday......

post #19 of 192
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Originally Posted by blubliss View Post

I wonder how the DSHA-1 would be with R10s, hmmm.

Want to borrow mine and find out?  I was planning on sending it on a West Coast tour anyways.  

 

Unfortunately every time I've come close to buying an R10 the seller either turns out to be a scammer or was just using me as leverage to get higher bids locally.

post #20 of 192
I've known Doug for a while now and can't think of a better guy to finally get some recognition.

I have his original proto DSHA-1 (he's dubbed it the DSHA-0) that has 5 inputs, 3 balanced 2 unbalanced, with balanced preamp outs, with little levers on the front for switchable gain, output impedance, and to switch between headphone and speaker output, all relay based. It even has a mute toggle and has an auto-mute on startup and turn off. It literally is the most versatile and user friendly piece of audio gear I have ever owned, and it happens to sound fantastic. It's fed by his DAC which is killer too, sorry he never brought it to market.

Doug has helped me with so many random things I've lost track. Recently he redesigned the front plate on my DSHA-0 with a new acrylic plate that looks fantastic, just so that it didn't look so industrial proto ish. Thank you to the OP for reminding me that Doug is one cool dude and deserves those of us to advocate for him.
post #21 of 192

Oh just what I need... another amp to lust after cool.gif

post #22 of 192
I would like to see the measurements that Tyll conducts on amps for this particular amp. Anyone interested in sending one to Tyll for measurements?
post #23 of 192

Might want to see if Tyll's willing to do them first.

 

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post #25 of 192
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Originally Posted by NA Blur View Post

I would like to see the measurements that Tyll conducts on amps for this particular amp. Anyone interested in sending one to Tyll for measurements?

Tyll doesn't want me to send him my stuff anymore after seeing the Tari mod.

post #26 of 192

Radio_head,

 

Thanks for a well-written review.

 

I go the impression from your review that ECP Audio amps are cut from the same cloth as Eddie Current amps in terms of sound quality.  Is that true?  Could you compare the L-2 to the Super 7 or maybe the Balancing Act (even if just from your memory)? 

 

Thanks.

post #27 of 192
I wouldn't put the two in the same camp sonically. I'm a pretty decent EC fanboy considering I was the original zana deux reviewer and also was the first to officially review the BA. Doug's amps are little more precise, focused and articulate and Craig's are a little more lush, they also have pretty different design philosophies - doug utilizes AC coupling, Craig is DC coupled, Doug on the l2 uses a very novel and creative biasing scheme, Craig used AC heating in the BA, so on and so forth.
post #28 of 192
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It is harder to say anything definite about Eddie Current as there are lots of rolling options for most of his amps that makes it hard to pin down an amp as having a specific sound. I also sold all my EC (excpet the incoming Electra) in preparation for the Leviathan so I'm running on aural memory, which is fickle at best.  That said...

 

They definitely share some traits - low noise floor, great low level detail being the two most obvious, and they also seem to have a similarity in terms of optimal headphone pairings.

 

They do differ though in a few ways - EC (I'm referencing the Balancing Act in particular) has unmatched soundstaging - I've always imagined this has to do with the HF heater on the DHT deal they have going.  The ECP amps are all quieter with more sensitive headphones though EC is no slouch in this department.  The L-2 as a "tube amp" is even closer to what is traditionally though of as "solid state" than Eddie Current which is already pretty non syrupy for tube sound.  While Eddie Current amps are by no means "lush" (except possibly the ZD which is closer to "lush" than his other amps) they are more so than the ECP amps.  

 

That said, taking as an example the keyboard on "Everything in its right place" from Kid A which definitely has a warm, enveloping cocoon-type feel to it, the L-2 will definitely render it just so even though it is not particularly "warm" - it won't take any of the "magic" out of what already exists in the recording.  The BA could sometimes interject it's own "magic" into the recording even when the source material didn't seem to have it, which I found phenomenal but I could see that bothering some purists. 

 

Ultimately, the Balancing Act has more resolution/microdetail than the ECP amps or any amp I've owned.  It is slower than the L-2 though, and I'd be willing to bet it has higher 2nd order just based on sound though that's not necessarily a bad thing.

 

Eddie Current amps have the ability to sound aggressive though they can also be laid back depending on tube choice.  ECP is slightly closer to the laid back side of the spectrum.

 

Lastly, while all things considered I personally prefer the looks of something like the Balancing Act to the ECP amps which is a subjective thing, the ECP amps have better build quality, both inside and out.  Its very hard to get a "perfect" EC amp without any small physical defect anywhere on the product.  Chances are there will be something small somewhere, whether its some small nicks or scratches or some other small thing - its part of the charm, but I know some members more OCD than me who it has bothered.  The ECP amps are perfect in that department.

 

So, even if I had one brand already, I would not consider the other redundant.  However, if I already had one, was happy with it, and was now looking for say an ortho amp, I would look elsewhere.

post #29 of 192
I agree about the BA being a soundstaging champ, but i wouldn't say it is more detailed or resolving than the ecp l2 or DSHA. If anything I find the ECP to be more resolving due to just being cleaner and more articulate.
post #30 of 192
Thread Starter 

I suspect the resolution wouldn't be noticeable on first blush at a meet or the like.  I also don't think it's as noticeable with all headphones - I specifically had the HD800 in mind with that comment which can do microdetail better than any dynamic headphone I've heard.  With that pairing the BA seemed more resolving of microdetail.  

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