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post #976 of 3543

Yeah, I would recommend the Herus DAC. It is a great DAC on its own, but it is also the second cheapest DSD DAC (iFi DSD nano is the cheapest). I never heard DSD before until I tried the iFi DSD, but after hearing it, I cannot go back to PCM. There were a lot of USB issues with the iFi DSD for the first few months, though they did just release new firmware which pretty much fixes those issues. I was given a little extra time by iFi to decide whether or not to keep it because of those issues, so I really took my time A/B-ing the Herus and the iFi DSD. The Herus is the better DAC, but I do like some aspects of the iFi sound better, which is why I decided to exchange the DAC for their amp instead of just simply getting a refund.

 

But if you already have a quality DAC and an amp, then this interconnect makes all the difference in the world. I mean it is a night and day difference. Even after ordering the interconnect, I felt like I was making a bad call, that it wouldn't make too much of a difference. Even as I was plugging them in I was thinking to myself that there is no way these kind make enough of a difference to be worth as much as they cost, but the difference was immediately obvious, and I was in a bit of shocked disbelief at first. I did some quick A and Bs with some of my favorite tracks and I was in tears of joy after 15 minutes. This was testing with the Shure 535 as I know them very well.

 

With the JVC, that heavy, overbearingness was lifted and the treble cleaned up so nicely. It even cleaned up the bass just a little bit (has just a bit better control).

 

I still think the JVCs are burning in though, and I am expecting some positives with the replacement pads. I have about 60 hours or so of burn in on the JVCs.  I listen to them after intervals of 12-15 hours of burn in, so I can tell they are starting to calm down a bit regarding this overbearingness, but the interconnect switch has made a significant and instant change. I wouldn't say they are fatigue free yet, but I can probably listen to them for about 3 hours now before needing a break.

post #977 of 3543
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Originally Posted by nipponbiki View Post
 

Yeah, I would recommend the Herus DAC. It is a great DAC on its own, but it is also the second cheapest DSD DAC (iFi DSD nano is the cheapest). I never heard DSD before until I tried the iFi DSD, but after hearing it, I cannot go back to PCM. There were a lot of USB issues with the iFi DSD for the first few months, though they did just release new firmware which pretty much fixes those issues. I was given a little extra time by iFi to decide whether or not to keep it because of those issues, so I really took my time A/B-ing the Herus and the iFi DSD. The Herus is the better DAC, but I do like some aspects of the iFi sound better, which is why I decided to exchange the DAC for their amp instead of just simply getting a refund.

 

But if you already have a quality DAC and an amp, then this interconnect makes all the difference in the world. I mean it is a night and day difference. Even after ordering the interconnect, I felt like I was making a bad call, that it wouldn't make too much of a difference. Even as I was plugging them in I was thinking to myself that there is no way these kind make enough of a difference to be worth as much as they cost, but the difference was immediately obvious, and I was in a bit of shocked disbelief at first. I did some quick A and Bs with some of my favorite tracks and I was in tears of joy after 15 minutes. This was testing with the Shure 535 as I know them very well.

 

With the JVC, that heavy, overbearingness was lifted and the treble cleaned up so nicely. It even cleaned up the bass just a little bit (has just a bit better control).

 

I still think the JVCs are burning in though, and I am expecting some positives with the replacement pads. I have about 60 hours or so of burn in on the JVCs.  I listen to them after intervals of 12-15 hours of burn in, so I can tell they are starting to calm down a bit regarding this overbearingness, but the interconnect switch has made a significant and instant change. I wouldn't say they are fatigue free yet, but I can probably listen to them for about 3 hours now before needing a break.

 

This might be a real basic question... but what's a DSD DAC?

post #978 of 3543

DSD is a new(ish) format developed by Sony to be the next big thing. It removes bit depth from the equation as it is a 1-bit stream but at much higher sample rates.

I am not that familiar with the technical details, and I actually own almost zero DSD music, but I use the PCM to DSD real-time conversion function in J River, and it just gives everything a bit more of a 3D feel, makes the music kind of feel like a breathing, living thing if that makes any sense at all. Listening to the exact same files with the conversion turned off (regular PCM) just makes everything sound so flat and lifeless in comparison.

post #979 of 3543
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Originally Posted by nipponbiki View Post
 

DSD is a new(ish) format developed by Sony to be the next big thing. It removes bit depth from the equation as it is a 1-bit stream but at much higher sample rates.

I am not that familiar with the technical details, and I actually own almost zero DSD music, but I use the PCM to DSD real-time conversion function in J River, and it just gives everything a bit more of a 3D feel, makes the music kind of feel like a breathing, living thing if that makes any sense at all. Listening to the exact same files with the conversion turned off (regular PCM) just makes everything sound so flat and lifeless in comparison.

 

Interesting, thanks. I'll have to look into that.

post #980 of 3543

Be aware that if you bitstream DSD without converting to PCM you lose the ability to do any signal processing in your software... no EQ, no crossfeed, no nothing. Assuming you have a DAC with the ability to accept high-bitrate PCM over USB such as 32/384, and assuming your player isn't using a brain-dead DSD-to-PCM conversion algorithm (JRiver's is continually being improved), there should be absolutely no sonic advantages to DSD. In fact, some very high-end DACs actually convert DSD to straight PCM internally so they can do filtering...

 

But I digress. If you have no need for EQ/crossfeed (or have an amp with a fancy analog crossfeed feature such as a Grace or a Phonitor), then you may not care. For me the bass... must go... up... always...


Edited by Stereolab42 - 5/27/14 at 9:28pm
post #981 of 3543
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Originally Posted by Stereolab42 View Post
 

Be aware that if you bitstream DSD without converting to PCM you lose the ability to do any signal processing in your software... no EQ, no crossfeed, no nothing. Assuming you have a DAC with the ability to accept high-bitrate PCM over USB such as 32/384, and assuming your player isn't using a brain-dead DSD-to-PCM conversion algorithm (JRiver's is continually being improved), there should be absolutely no sonic advantages to DSD. In fact, some very high-end DACs actually convert DSD to straight PCM internally so they can do filtering...

 

But I digress. If you have no need for EQ/crossfeed (or have an amp with a fancy analog crossfeed feature such as a Grace or a Phonitor), then you may not care.

 

I appreciate the community interaction but every time I hear "Burn-in" my brain shuts down and somewhere an angel loses it's wings:wink: 

post #982 of 3543
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

 

I appreciate the community interaction but every time I hear "Burn-in" my brain shuts down and somewhere an angel loses it's wings:wink: 

 

To get back on topic... I've found the SZ2000s actually are burning-in. They are losing a little bit of the "veil" to my ears (but they'll always be dark in tone). Burn-in really is meaningful for components with moving parts like speakers. Now when people talk about digital components "burning-in", they are talking nonsense...

post #983 of 3543

Yeah, in my case, I am converting PCM to DSD, so EQ and anything else in the DSP studio is applied to the PCM signal first, then converted to DSD and sent to the DAC.

post #984 of 3543
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Originally Posted by Stereolab42 View Post
 

Be aware that if you bitstream DSD without converting to PCM you lose the ability to do any signal processing in your software... no EQ, no crossfeed, no nothing. Assuming you have a DAC with the ability to accept high-bitrate PCM over USB such as 32/384, and assuming your player isn't using a brain-dead DSD-to-PCM conversion algorithm (JRiver's is continually being improved), there should be absolutely no sonic advantages to DSD. In fact, some very high-end DACs actually convert DSD to straight PCM internally so they can do filtering...

 

But I digress. If you have no need for EQ/crossfeed (or have an amp with a fancy analog crossfeed feature such as a Grace or a Phonitor), then you may not care. For me the bass... must go... up... always...

 

Thanks for this. My amp does have its own analog crossfeed option, but to be honest, I rarely use it. I can't find a real change in SQ, and the only thing I can notice is slightly reduced bass punch when the crossfeed is on.

post #985 of 3543
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Originally Posted by Stereolab42 View Post
 

 

To get back on topic... I've found the SZ2000s actually are burning-in. They are losing a little bit of the "veil" to my ears (but they'll always be dark in tone). Burn-in really is meaningful for components with moving parts like speakers. Now when people talk about digital components "burning-in", they are talking nonsense...

 

My sub-woofers did benefit from use but my 1000/2000  watt  amps  never did that I could tell. I never encountered Burn-in as a topic for electronic capacitors and the like until finding this site.

post #986 of 3543
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Originally Posted by intlsubband View Post
 

 

Thanks for this. My amp does have its own analog crossfeed option, but to be honest, I rarely use it. I can't find a real change in SQ, and the only thing I can notice is slightly reduced bass punch when the crossfeed is on.

 

Crossfeed shouldn't change overall SQ, just shrink the soundstage and push it farther out, reducing the headphone "binary" effect. (This is REALLY beneficial on classic pop/rock recordings.) The better crossfeed filters also shouldn't change bass. If you've got some spare change consider buying the JRiver player and the TB Isone plugin, which is an incredible software crossfeed plugin. (The crossfeed feature included with JRiver sucks hardcore however.)

post #987 of 3543
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Originally Posted by Stereolab42 View Post
 

 

Crossfeed shouldn't change overall SQ, just shrink the soundstage and push it farther out, reducing the headphone "binary" effect. (This is REALLY beneficial on classic pop/rock recordings.) The better crossfeed filters also shouldn't change bass. If you've got some spare change consider buying the JRiver player and the TB Isone plugin, which is an incredible software crossfeed plugin. (The crossfeed feature included with JRiver sucks hardcore however.)

+1 For JRiver Media Center, and agree that their crossfeed feature sucks balls. It makes treble a bit noisier.

post #988 of 3543

 

Product placement. ( should be an image or vid at least once a page so folks don't read and wonder where they are.)

 

Here's a pad change..

 

 

 

Anyone of the non-bassheads care to share an eq slope that benefits another genre'?

Anyone?


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 5/27/14 at 11:27pm
post #989 of 3543
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Originally Posted by Stereolab42 View Post
 

 

Crossfeed shouldn't change overall SQ, just shrink the soundstage and push it farther out, reducing the headphone "binary" effect. (This is REALLY beneficial on classic pop/rock recordings.) The better crossfeed filters also shouldn't change bass. If you've got some spare change consider buying the JRiver player and the TB Isone plugin, which is an incredible software crossfeed plugin. (The crossfeed feature included with JRiver sucks hardcore however.)

 

 

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Originally Posted by nipponbiki View Post
 

+1 For JRiver Media Center, and agree that their crossfeed feature sucks balls. It makes treble a bit noisier.

 

Might need to check it out then. The crossfeed on my amp is supposed to be very good. Their website has a detailed explanation about crossfeed - http://www.meier-audio.homepage.t-online.de/crossfeed.htm which I've read before purchasing the amp, and was excited about it... but, what can I say, the only audible difference that I can hear is a slight reduction of bass punch, and nothing more. However, I would still recommend the Corda Concerto, which is a fantastic sounding amp!!

post #990 of 3543
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Originally Posted by Hawaiibadboy View Post
 

 

Anyone of the non-bassheads care to share an eq slope that benefits another genre'?

Anyone?

 

I don't think I am quite the basshead you or some other guys are (I mostly like sub-bass). Anyway, here are my settings so far, and I am jamming pretty nicely right now.

Listening to some nice progressive trance sets at the moment.

 

DSP Studio in J River

25 Hz +7 dB, Q of 1
40 Hz +7 dB, Q of 1
90 Hz -4 dB, Q of 1
500 Hz -6 dB, Q of .5
9000 Hz -6 dB, Q of 1
2000 Hz -9 dB, Q of 7
High-shelf -5 dB at 10000, Q of 3
Adaptive limiter enabled


Middle bass switch enabled on iFi iCAN micro


Edited by nipponbiki - 5/28/14 at 12:55am
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