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post #856 of 3524
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They were priced pretty close a few months ago but it has widened to 100 bucks diff similar to release price gap iirc.

 



Yeah, I was wondering why the price difference - here in Poland it's even a bit over 150 bucks, sz2000 being priced 490$ (I know...)


And I got mine for 250 € on Ebay from a German retailer named Saturn. They where offering the SZ1000 for 200 €. The offer is still available. But they only ship in Germany.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/JVC-HA-SZ1000-E-Ohrumschliesender-Kopfhorer-mit-Real-Sound-System-schwarz-NEU-/261450053418?pt=Kopfh%C3%B6rer&hash=item3cdfa3372a

post #857 of 3524
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And I got mine for 250 € on Ebay from a German retailer named Saturn. They where offering the SZ1000 for 200 €. The offer is still available. But they only ship in Germany.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/JVC-HA-SZ1000-E-Ohrumschliesender-Kopfhorer-mit-Real-Sound-System-schwarz-NEU-/261450053418?pt=Kopfh%C3%B6rer&hash=item3cdfa3372a

 

Yeah they were pretty close in Japan but the retail shops have been widening the gap over here.

THIS...is why they don't like pictures:D

post #858 of 3524
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No way!  What do you compare them to?  Denon D5000?  I've been considering them or the DX1000................

 

Haven't really done any direct comparisons yet... will probably do so against the Dido's, D5000s and Sig DJs. I'll send them to you if you want to try 'em.

 

The fit is weird! LOL!

I mean, they are comfortable but darn huge! Makes the SZ2000s (and every other headphone) look like babies... really I look like one of those air traffic guys... I suspect some have experienced shattered headbands with these! Sound wise they are pleasant. I actually thought they'd be as warm as the SZ2000s but they are not. Bass hits hard and sub-bass is tastefully done. Need to test more... (have only tested them on my PC --> NuForce HDP --> Burson Soloist SL).

post #859 of 3524

I enjoy these headphones like crazy, the comfort isn't that great yet (they suffer from the "grip of death" that my HD25's had, since i haven't used them that much), but pad wise, the switch is freaking great. And i just realized that these take a lot to distort them. On high gain with my DX50 you can listen the drivers crackle like crazy around 225 or 230 of volume, which is a lot and almost 115dB (measured just as a reference, with a microphone and an iPhone).

 

Right now i'm using them as speakers for radio using my Fuze on +6, and they work amazing. They're not the best speakers, i'm i feel i'm not missing out on much. 

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Bout damn time jvc started to market to the correct audience! I'm in the states, and looking at the sz2000. The price has gone up a whole.... -30$. Yes, that's right. Its gone down in price by 30$. Its priced at 270$, and the sz1000 has gone up... 1.66$. Yes, one dollar sixty six cents, for a total of 151.66$ brand new. Anyone here have an e11 to tell me if it brings the awesome, or do I need a new amp?
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I enjoy these headphones like crazy, the comfort isn't that great yet (they suffer from the "grip of death" that my HD25's had, since i haven't used them that much), but pad wise, the switch is freaking great. And i just realized that these take a lot to distort them. On high gain with my DX50 you can listen the drivers crackle like crazy around 225 or 230 of volume, which is a lot and almost 115dB (measured just as a reference, with a microphone and an iPhone).

 

Right now i'm using them as speakers for radio using my Fuze on +6, and they work amazing. They're not the best speakers, i'm i feel i'm not missing out on much. 

YES!!!

Man...for comfort and better mids it's an essential easy mod. I listened to my sz compared with another sz with original pads and like they say in the sound science forums on here...it makes a clear difference in the sound signature and if it's pleather or firm pads it will increase the bass's visceral "impact" (that's for bassheads) for easy listeners it makes the mids more ...well...they exist suddenly and then you can eq to your leisure.

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YES!!!
Man...for comfort and better mids it's an essential easy mod. I listened to my sz compared with another sz with original pads and like they say in the sound science forums on here...it makes a clear difference in the sound signature and if it's pleather or firm pads it will increase the bass's visceral "impact" (that's for bassheads) for easy listeners it makes the mids more ...well...they exist suddenly and then you can eq to your leisure.
cool! Wonder what would happen if you took the drivers from one of these, and slapped it in an open back can. Oh, and CB, you should post size comparison between these and the rest of your cans, like the xb1000.
post #863 of 3524
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Bout damn time jvc started to market to the correct audience! I'm in the states, and looking at the sz2000. The price has gone up a whole.... -30$. Yes, that's right. Its gone down in price by 30$. Its priced at 270$, and the sz1000 has gone up... 1.66$. Yes, one dollar sixty six cents, for a total of 151.66$ brand new. Anyone here have an e11 to tell me if it brings the awesome, or do I need a new amp?

 

Wow, the SZ2000 for $270 at Amazon w/ Prime 2-day shipping, fulfilled by Amazon so free returns. I paid ~$260 for mine shipped through Tenso, waited a week, and USPS delivered to the wrong house. The SZ1000 is $151.66 + $18.52 shipping, around ~$170 from a shady seller, same price as AmazonJP-Tenso.

 

I'm guessing the E11 should allow the SZ to impress you, but when listening to dangerously loud levels you might confuse the distortion as the drivers failing instead of your source/amp clipping the signal. I have an E5, which has better max output than the E11 at 15 Ohms: 63mW E11 vs 108mW E5. What limited me with the E5 is its max input voltage, since it starts clipping a little above 50% the output voltage of my soundcard, and when that happens you hear distortion and it's hard to tell if it's your physical drivers failing or that the signal was simply clipped. I thought the SZ distorted around the same volume as the 77's at first, but when I got the E12 I discovered that it was my E5. The 77's do give under the E5, but the bass was loud enough to stun me. The SZ can definitely go way further than the 77's bass-wise (+15dB).

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Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 5/1/14 at 11:32pm
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I placed an order for DT770 velour pads against Beyerdynamic today. We will see how they change the mids section.

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Wow, the SZ2000 for $270 at Amazon w/ Prime 2-day shipping, fulfilled by Amazon so free returns. I paid ~$260 for mine shipped through Tenso, waited a week, and USPS delivered to the wrong house. The SZ1000 is $151.66 + $18.52 shipping, around ~$170 from a shady seller, same price as AmazonJP-Tenso.

I'm guessing the E11 should allow the SZ to impress you, but when listening to dangerously loud levels you might confuse the distortion as the drivers failing instead of your source/amp clipping the signal. I have an E5, which has better max output than the E11 at 15 Ohms: 63mW E11 vs 108mW E5. What limited me with the E5 is its max input voltage, since it starts clipping a little above 50% the output voltage of my soundcard, and when that happens you hear distortion and it's hard to tell if it's your physical drivers failing or that the signal was simply clipped. I thought the SZ distorted around the same volume as the 77's at first, but when I got the E12 I discovered that it was my E5. The 77's do give under the E5, but the bass was loud enough to stun me. The SZ can definitely go way further than the 77's bass-wise (+15dB).
oh crap! That's right! The e11 is better for medium impedance cans. That's unfortunate that the sz2000 are 15 ohms. I'll need a new amp. I'm looking at the O2. It seems powerful, and since I also like flatter headphones too, I guess it might be better than the e12 for a multi-purpose amplifier. I don't need the odac or anything. The Nokia Lumia 925, when I tested it, has no audible noise at full volume with either of my headphones when playing a silent audio file. Out of my amp, I have to put it up to 7/8 with the jvc's to hear the hiss. If any music was playing at that volume, even quiet music, then the noise wouldn't be audible. I think the new Lumia's on the high end (year 2013 and above, and 450+$.) have better audio than some people have stated. I've met people on here that said they have quite high noise, etc. But its not audible at all at normal and above average volume, and just a little with no music playing at dangerous levels of volume. I asked the person what Lumia they tried, and they never got back to me. Either it wasn't seen, or they ignored it. Well, to my point, the only upgrade I can think of from this would be an fiio X3/5, and ibasso, etc. If the noise is inaudible, and sound quality exceptional, I see no need to get an apple iPod at this point. So all I need now is an amp...
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So, apparently it was sent to the wrong address... I just got a note from the post office today and it seems that the house number that was initially written on the note was crossed out and the correct one inserted. That explains why it came up as "delivered" in the online tracking. I still don't know if the mistake was with the senders or the post office, but in any case, I'll pick these up on Wednesday.

 

Looking forward to give these a go! am already compiling a bass-heavy track list for the occasion...

 

I also hope that the earpads arrive around the same time, so I don't need to use the stock ones. Once these arrive I'll try to do comparisons (between stock, HM5, 770, and Alpha Pads & M4U2 pads if these fit) and will write it here.

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Originally Posted by intlsubband View Post
 

So, apparently it was sent to the wrong address... I just got a note from the post office today and it seems that the house number that was initially written on the note was crossed out and the correct one inserted. That explains why it came up as "delivered" in the online tracking. I still don't know if the mistake was with the senders or the post office, but in any case, I'll pick these up on Wednesday.

 

Looking forward to give these a go! am already compiling a bass-heavy track list for the occasion...

 

I also hope that the earpads arrive around the same time, so I don't need to use the stock ones. Once these arrive I'll try to do comparisons (between stock, HM5, 770, and Alpha Pads & M4U2 pads if these fit) and will write it here.

 

Man this has been an epic adventure for you. Your cool. I'd be very pissed off at the whole delivery turned adventure. If the pads arrive at the same time though that will be excellent!

 

 

I was just playing with this slope and sadly the 15-50Hz bump is off the chart. 

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Well, mistakes can happen. I have a few other headphones to play with until these arrive so no harm done :)

 

In the mean time I've been looking for other online reviews. I was surprised to find very little.

 

Have a look at this review: http://www.avforums.com/review/jvc-ha-sz2000-headphone-review.10115#sectionAnchor32248

 

The author was not very impressed with music performance, but claims that these are superb for movies...

post #870 of 3524

As they come. (With stock pads) they are clearly incomplete design/idea.

With a proper pad they become better. The Sound Science section of this site considers a pad change a Lvl 1 mod that has clear effects of headphone sound sigs.

It's true with these.

However, as I have and will always say these are bass first

 

 

 

 

 

They are being re-marketed towards that crowd as they should have from the start.

JVC is very close to clueless when it comes to marketing.

 

You better love bass.

Have a Hip-Hop heavy library (IMO)  

and like your bass LOUD/shaking/Thumping

 

I don't know about movies since having a driver cage on your ears for 2 hours seems too uncomfortable. Maybe it's the movie theater THX/Dolby SFX booms and bang rumbling that you feel in the theater being replicated in the cans? 

 

 

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FREQUENCY: USES: 
50Hz 
1. Increase to add more fullness to lowest frequency instruments like foot, floor tom, and the bass. 
2. Reduce to decrease the "boom" of the bass and will increase overtones and the recognition of bass line in the mix. This is most often used on loud bass lines like rock. 

100Hz 
1. Increase to add a harder bass sound to lowest frequency instruments. 
2. Increase to add fullness to guitars, snare. 
3. Increase to add warmth to piano and horns. 
4. Reduce to remove boom on guitars & increase clarity. 

200Hz 
1. Increase to add fullness to vocals. 
2. Increase to add fullness to snare and guitar ( harder sound ). 
3. Reduce to decrease muddiness of vocals or mid-range instruments. 
4. Reduce to decrease gong sound of cymbals. 

400Hz 
1. Increase to add clarity to bass lines especially when speakers are at low volume. 
2. Reduce to decrease "cardboard" sound of lower drums (foot and toms). 
3. Reduce to decrease ambiance on cymbals. 

800Hz 
1. Increase for clarity and "punch" of bass. 
2. Reduce to remove "cheap" sound of guitars. 

1.5KHz 
1. Increase for "clarity" and "pluck" of bass. 
2. Reduce to remove dullness of guitars. 

3KHz 
1. Increase for more "pluck" of bass. 
2. Increase for more attack of electric / acoustic guitar. 
3. Increase for more attack on low piano parts. 
4. Increase for more clarity / hardness on voice. 
5. Reduce to increase breathy, soft sound on background vocals. 
6. Reduce to disguise out-of-tune vocals / guitars. 

5KHz 
1. Increase for vocal presence. 
2. Increase low frequency drum attack ( foot / toms). 
3. Increase for more "finger sound" on bass. 
4. Increase attack of piano, acoustic guitar and brightness on guitars (especially rock guitars). 
5. Reduce to make background parts more distant. 
6. Reduce to soften "thin" guitar. 

7KHz 
1. Increase to add attack on low frequency drums ( more metallic sound ). 
2. Increase to add attack to percussion instruments. 
3. Increase on dull singer. 
4. Increase for more "finger sound" on acoustic bass. 
5. Reduce to decrease "s" sound on singers. 
6. Increase to add sharpness to synthesizers, rock guitars, acoustic guitar and piano. 

10KHz 
1. Increase to brighten vocals. 
2. Increase for "light brightness" in acoustic guitar and piano. 
3. Increase for hardness on cymbals. 
4. Reduce to decrease "s" sound on singers. 

15KHz 
1. Increase to brighten vocals (breath sound). 
2. Increase to brighten cymbals, string instruments and flutes. 
3. Increase to make sampled synthesizer sound more real. 


KICK DRUM:
A common solution is to cut out the muddy frequencies: Solo the kick track, set the EQ's Q to 1 and the frequency to about 250 Hz, and cut about 6-8 dB. Then move the frequency knob until the kick has a tighter sound. 
 


 

Using a ATH-W1000X as a "reference"

 

 

And the above eq chart...very simple but very effective..I went back at a simple jazz track being played off the sit down station.

 

 

Instruments are few. 

Considering the content of the piece...I went to work

 

The T1 (That is not a realistic challenge clarity wise..I would be wasting my time. The T1 are the best I ever heard at this track and I heard enough titans of the HP world playing this to say that...at least IMO)

 

 

 

The W1000X ( a Top 10 among 27 High end cans (IMO) ) $600ish and raved about and been criticized. It was perfect to target.

 

 

Using the eq chart above. Considering the simplicity of the piece and it's being in my head so much because it has been a track I have heard at 3 different places I went at it. 

 

I talk about Hip Hop all the time and forget/ignore the fact that some bought this with aspirations for more. I made the $250 sz200 sound almost identical to the $600ish? W1000X

 

 

Straight out curve

 

 

Broken down 

 

 

 

 

 

I like this guy. He seems to not be full of ****. His review matches what I thought spot on. It's weak points made it approachable but these are in-fact audiophile grade cans. I just mimic-ed them to near identical sound using the dual driver sz. I woulda been surprised if I couldn't.

 

Give it a shot.

 

I'll be going back to head slamming Hip Hop now:D 


Edited by Hawaiibadboy - 5/6/14 at 4:50am
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