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post #811 of 3562

i'm also looking forward to see how these handle old school funk (Parliament/Funkadelic). And albums from the great funk bass players like Bootsy Collins and Larry Graham.

post #812 of 3562
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Originally Posted by cb3723 View Post
 

 

I decided to drop green on these cans after high praise reports mainly by the bass beast that is Hawaiibadboy on the former BassHeads Club thread, which for reasons unknown to me was recently closed but continues in new Audiophile Bass Lounge thread, though I think Hawaiibadboy is now banned, also reasons unknown to me, but is a shame, as this first impressions review of mine is with that HBB in mind.

So, these cans come in a rather unassuming box, which is severely lacking in advertising that these cans are bass orientated. If a prospective bass head buyer for new cans was in a store, he/she could easily walk past these cans completely unaware of their bass capabilities.

Inner box has cans nicely presented in dark blue silky fabric, suggesting the cans have pedigree and purpose that other cans may not befit such splendour.

Picking the SZ2000's up for the first time, you realise just how heavy they are, apparently a heavyweight 485g, considerably heavier than SONY MDR-XB1000, a cruiserweight at 375g.

Pads look plush and well padded, but are deceiving when worn as drivers are closer than you'd think and I found top of my left ear uncomfortably rests on the driver, so it takes me a bit of adjusting to find a sweet spot of comfort. I've not big or protruding ears and this is the first headcan I've experienced this kind of initial fit with, and I must have a small head, as I rarely have to extend headbands on cans, these being no exception.

Build quality is very good and the whole thing is put together very nicely and feels robust.
 
 

Main track I used to get a first feel of these cans, is a Hawaiibadboy recommendation, namely Wiz Khalifa's on my level track, noted for its serious bass.

First play was cans plugged directly into iPad, with EQ set to flat (same as EQ off), and these cans played no problem whatsoever, so are easily driven. Sound was nice and crisp, with tight punchy bass - very pleasant indeedy.

Second play had cans hooked up to Fiio E17, only with bass EQ set to max out level 10, again using iPad as source. Now this set up is to feel just how hard the bass slam is going to hit, and how the cans perform under such EQ extremities.

Boom! - the moment the track starts and the deep bass drops, these cans come to life as a fully fledged bass canon, it's pretty cool, the cans literally vibrate on your head. The bass, though pummelling your head in waves of profound bass, manages to keep it together and not bloat out - it's just no problem to the SZ2000's, these cans were expecting this and were well prepared for this EQ.

Comparing to the SONY XB1000's, the SZ2000's have more prominent mids and highs even when heavily bass EQ'd, the mids particularly retain their presence and clarity, where the XB1000's mids and highs seem a little recessed in comparison with bass leading and everything else following behind.
 
 

The XB1000 does have a harder bass slam than the JVC's, but I'd guess that's down to their 70mm Goliath sized drivers.

All in all, the JVC SZ2000's are serious bass canons that deliver a mighty slam that will put a smile on any bassheads face for sure.

Gripes include the earpads, the cable is fixed undetachable and only 1.2 metres long and the provided carry bag is the cheapest quality one I've ever seen and seems like a last minute afterthought, but is not befitting of these cans at all - JVC could have done a lot better carry bag for sure.

So, big thanks to Hawaiibadboy for making these mighty cans known to me, as they are a lot of fun with a quality sound signature for the win.

My SZ2000's were first cans to sit proudly on my just received klutz design stand you see in photos, which has absolutely zero relevance to this first impression review, but headphone stand is in vibrant red, which I like enough to point out...tongue.gif
 

 

Thanks for your review/impressions cb! :)

 

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Originally Posted by spurxiii View Post
 

I thought metal needs more than just the drums. The SZ2000 does lack somewhat in the other frequencies.

 

It doesn't really "lack" in the other frecuencies, they just have a warm signature throughout! (like a veil...)

 

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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post
 

 

How do you compare these to the Ultrasone Signature DJ and Siggnature Pro that you also own?

 

Both Signature cans are more detailed overall, less bass impact (these JVCs are really bass oriented), better imaging and sound stage. I would not pick the JVCs over either of the Signatures unless you crave lots of bass like Hawaii did. Basically I think that the Ultrasones are more versatile, especially if you don't really rely on EQ.

 

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Originally Posted by PsiCore View Post
 

Do they sound similar to Philips L1, which are pretty dark?

How do they compare to DT770 80 Ohm, especially in the bass department?

 

They are warm, not dark.

Kills the DT770 in the bass dept, especially when EQed.

 

 

P.S. All of these impressions are from memory only... I haven't had the JVCs in a while....

post #813 of 3562

MAXIMUMBASSEXTREME

 

So people have no idea how much I love bass simply because they haven't listened to HOW I listen to my music with my JVC HA-SZ2000.

 

I recorded my PC output directly and uploaded sample songs to YouTube. This way, you can set your settings to flat and the songs will sound exactly as I hear them, minus the Fiio E12 bass boost. If you have the E12, use it.

 

Below are comparisons between the original recordings and the Maximum Bass Extreme edits. The edits are preamped to -24dB, so you have to raise your volume to +24dB from normal.

 

The most extreme comparison is on Wiz Khalifa - On My Level. It's the third comparison below, but wait for it!

 

 

MOSAIC.WAV - Welcome to 'Akiba-Pop'!! [Denpa]

(Unedited) Listen to normal volume:

(Boosted) Raise volume to +24dB:

 

Judas Priest - Painkiller [Heavy Metal]

(Unedited) Listen to normal volume:

(Boosted) Raise volume to +24dB:

 

Wiz Khalifa - On My Level [Rap]

(Unedited) Listen to normal volume:

(Boosted) Raise volume to +24dB:

 

Amon Amarth - Death in Fire [Death/Viking Metal]

(Unedited) Listen to normal volume:

(Boosted) Raise volume to +24dB:

 

Attack on Titan OST 1 [EDM]

(Unedited) Listen to normal volume:

(Boosted) Raise volume to +24dB:

 

 

Dragonland - Neverending Story [Power Metal]

(Unedited) Listen to normal volume:

(Boosted) Raise volume to +24dB:

 

 

Skrillex - Kyoto [Dubstep]

(Unedited) Listen to normal volume:

(Boosted) Raise volume to +24dB:

 

Flo Rida - Low [Rap/Hip-Hop]

(Unedited) Listen to normal volume:

(Boosted) Raise volume to +24dB:

 

Perfume - Nee [Chiptune]

(Unedited) Listen to normal volume:

(Boosted) Raise volume to +24dB:


Edited by PocketSmiley - 4/26/14 at 10:55am
post #814 of 3562

Nice but distorts the hell out of my HD600 (the can I got plugged into the amp at the moment)

post #815 of 3562
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Originally Posted by thx1000 View Post
 

So if hip hop is less than 80% of my music library, I shouldn't even bother with these headphones?  Thanks for the advice because I have too much variety in my music which includes Alternative, Blues, Classical, Country, EDM, Electronic, Hip-Hop/Rap, Industrial, Instrumental, Jazz, New Age, Pop, R&B/Soul, Reggae, Rock, Singer/Songwriter, Vocal, World (Hawaiian).  Yes, Hawaiian music because I was born and raised in Hawaii.

 

I just thought maybe I could listen to my 184 (and growing) hip hop/rap songs with a JVC HA-SZ2000.  In fact, there's probably more in my collection that would sound pretty good with the JVC HA-SZ2000.

 

I found some reviews online here and here that make the JVC HA-SZ2000 appear to be more genre friendly than you are.

Its just my opinion, I listen to EDM a lot and some pop etc, but very little hip hop so these cans weren't for me. IMO my $58 cans sounded better for EDM and other types of music than the SZ2000, too much veil in the other frequencies to enjoy and it bothered me too much (even after lots of burning in)

post #816 of 3562

If the SZ2000s are not lacking in other frequencies and are veiled instead, its a big veil somewhat like the singers are singing behind a thick sheet and the highs are very rolled off (the can is IMO quite dark). The SZ2000 have one trick, which is absolutely headache inducing bass like strapping 18 inch subs to your head, on high volume and with the right track, the cans literally give your head a massage. But when you listen to other tracks that don't have sub bass it doesn't sound very refined and very far from an audiophile can. My Yamaha HPH200 costed me $58 delivered and presents more detail than the SZ2000 and closer to an audiophile experience for other genres. I bought the SZ2000 expecting a little more from the other frequencies, so its just my opinion to others of what to expect. If you're willing to EQ the bass up lots and like that, then these will be your cans. The bass doesn't distort no matter what you do so they will take that. I wouldn't have these as my only cans if I listened to a wide variety on genres.


Edited by spurxiii - 4/26/14 at 3:15pm
post #817 of 3562
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Originally Posted by spurxiii View Post
 

Nice but distorts the hell out of my HD600 (the can I got plugged into the amp at the moment)

 

My point exactly. This is a contention I have with headphones categorized as high fidelity, yet distorts the low frequencies at normal rock concert levels. The tracks I posted are pure signals, and do not distort with the SZ2000 even with the E12 cranked up. So distortion does not come from the source clipping the signals, but the physical drivers failing to sustain low frequencies outside their limit.

 

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Originally Posted by spurxiii View Post
 

If the SZ2000s are not lacking in other frequencies and are veiled instead, its a big veil somewhat like the singers are singing behind a thick sheet and the highs are very rolled off (the can is IMO quite dark). The SZ2000 have one trick, which is absolutely headache inducing bass like strapping 18 inch subs to your head, on high volume and with the right track, the cans literally give your head a massage. But when you listen to other tracks that don't have sub bass it doesn't sound very refined and very far from an audiophile can. My Yamaha HPH200 costed me $58 delivered and presents more detail than the SZ2000 and closer to an audiophile experience for other genres. I bought the SZ2000 expecting a little more from the other frequencies, so its just my opinion to others of what to expect. If you're willing to EQ the bass up lots and like that, then these will be your cans. The bass doesn't distort no matter what you do so they will take that. I wouldn't have these as my only cans if I listened to a wide variety on genres.

 

@Hawaiibadboy would actually agree with you. As for me, my Maximum Bass Extreme setup turns ALL music into hard-hitting tracks. (Most Yoko Kanno fans already share the vast eclecticism of Kanno's music, from symphony to fusion jazz rock to silly kawaii recordings of Kanno singing gibberish to herself in a made-up language.) I listen to tons of piano concertos, from Debussy to the modern Alkan-esque viral pianist Pianeet:

 

 

Many pianists love the Yamaha C series grand pianos for their dark signature. As for me, I love how the lower keys sound like a soft, melodic kick drum set.

 

Again, I am an extreme minority. But there is really no excuse against drivers failing to reproduce a sound signal. "But most people don't listen to music THAT loud" are words never spoken by people in my generation.

post #818 of 3562
You sound a little as if your generation invrnted the BASS. But belive it or not, there are some folks out there chasing that BASS since more than 40 years. The truth is that only nowadays we all have the technology to reproduce it portable. And there is music beside your generation's that has that BASS. And yes I am not on a journey to get deaf in record time.
post #819 of 3562
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Originally Posted by thx1000 View Post

So if hip hop is less than 80% of my music library, I shouldn't even bother with these headphones?  Thanks for the advice because I have too much variety in my music which includes Alternative, Blues, Classical, Country, EDM, Electronic, Hip-Hop/Rap, Industrial, Instrumental, Jazz, New Age, Pop, R&B/Soul, Reggae, Rock, Singer/Songwriter, Vocal, World (Hawaiian).  Yes, Hawaiian music because I was born and raised in Hawaii.

I just thought maybe I could listen to my 184 (and growing) hip hop/rap songs with a JVC HA-SZ2000.  In fact, there's probably more in my collection that would sound pretty good with the JVC HA-SZ2000.

I found some reviews online here and here that make the JVC HA-SZ2000 appear to be more genre friendly than you are.
I have the ha-m55x's, and classical music is an absolute treat with them. Feeling the rumble of a bass drum on your skull is always a very cool experience imo. I've found that classical and orchestra in general have about as much rumble to the low end as edm or even some hip hop when eq'd, and most of the other genres will rumble your head just fine. As far as I can tell, JVC's are a very Eq friendly lot of cans. Don't see why the famed sz2000 would be any different. I'm messing around with eq on my Nokia Lumia 925 right now and giving the low end all the power (this phone has crazy Eq power. Better than my home stereo system or my computer.) even without an amp they rumble quite well. You might like them. Decision is up to you. I know I will get the sz1000's if I feel like saving a few bucks, or sz2000 just because I can in the next year.
Edited by DisCHORDDubstep - 4/27/14 at 7:34am
post #820 of 3562
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post

You sound a little as if your generation invrnted the BASS. But belive it or not, there are some folks out there chasing that BASS since more than 40 years. The truth is that only nowadays we all have the technology to reproduce it portable. And there is music beside your generation's that has that BASS. And yes I am not on a journey to get deaf in record time.

 

I never asserted that. I know rock 'n' roll existed before The Beatles, and that woofers were installed in loudspeakers before the invention of the subwoofer. I apologize for paraphrasing the offensive "if it's too loud you're too old" catchphrase, but my intention was to mean that loud music is a norm, not an exception, and that arguments of high fidelity that make excuses about audiophile headphones distorting loud bass are simply excuses. My "offensive" attitude regarding loud bass is a defensive one, as "basshead" preferences are seen as basal by higher-than-thou mentalities.

 

Yeah, there's also the hearing health argument, which is a legitimate and strong one. Although I'm extremely optimistic about medical technology, current stem cell research shows very little progress relative to the end goal; for example, it is still extremely difficult to figure out how to differentiate stem cells into ear hair cells, and not into other cells.

 

I am no authority regarding full size headphones, as I only own a few besides Hawaii's recommendations. But I've encountered way too many violent oppositions due to the importance I put on bass reproduction to make me speak the way I do regarding bass. When it comes to signal processing, I study that, and I'm all for high fidelity. But disregarding low frequency reproduction at "normal" loud levels and mentioning the word "rap" with a snobbish snort, those truly piss me the hell off.

post #821 of 3562
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Originally Posted by spurxiii View Post

Its just my opinion, I listen to EDM a lot and some pop etc, but very little hip hop so these cans weren't for me. IMO my $58 cans sounded better for EDM and other types of music than the SZ2000, too much veil in the other frequencies to enjoy and it bothered me too much (even after lots of burning in)

Trance sounds awesome with the JVC HA-SZ2000's - especially with heavy helpings of + bass EQ - the below track for me virtually redefines the term "Epic", if not transforms it to "Epicness" - Tyll Hertsens has said he's looking ultimately for an "eargasm" through personal hi-fi via headphones - for me this track with bass EQ'd with these mighty bass canon cans, provides such relief tongue.gifcool.gifwink.gifbiggrin.gifsmily_headphones1.gif


Edited by cb3723 - 4/27/14 at 10:28am
post #822 of 3562
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Originally Posted by cb3723 View Post

Trance sounds awesome with the JVC HA-SZ2000's - especially with heavy helpings of + bass EQ - the below track for me virtually redefines the term "Epic", if not transforms it to "Epicness" - Tyll Hertsens has said he's looking ultimately for an "eargasm" through personal hi-fi via headphones - for me this track with bass EQ'd with these mighty bass canon cans, provides such relief tongue.gifcool.gifwink.gifbiggrin.gifsmily_headphones1.gif


Unfortunately I don't have the SZ anymore to try with this track but it does sound good with my TH600s. At the end of the day, with the Sz2000 there was just too much veil in the sound, not enough detail and to the extent it bothered me too much and I really tried very hard to like them. I even had them playing all the times I wasn't listening. But the burning in didn't help at all. Still that veil failed to subside. There were times when I had them with me at the train station and I had the feeling I wanted rip them off my head and drop kick them in front of the train
post #823 of 3562
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Originally Posted by spurxiii View Post

Unfortunately I don't have the SZ anymore to try with this track but it does sound good with my TH600s. At the end of the day, with the Sz2000 there was just too much veil in the sound, not enough detail and to the extent it bothered me too much and I really tried very hard to like them. I even had them playing all the times I wasn't listening. But the burning in didn't help at all. Still that veil failed to subside. There were times when I had them with me at the train station and I had the feeling I wanted rip them off my head and drop kick them in front of the train
hmm... You aren't a very happy person lol. Yeah, for some edm bass cans suck... For more bassy edm genres, they are decent. I just try to follow the bass beat with bassy cans. Can't follow anything else in the song that well. It works, and I have fun and get a massage.
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Originally Posted by DisCHORDDubstep View Post

hmm... You aren't a very happy person lol. Yeah, for some edm bass cans suck... For more bassy edm genres, they are decent. I just try to follow the bass beat with bassy cans. Can't follow anything else in the song that well. It works, and I have fun and get a massage.

I'm quite an easy going guy and quite happy with what I buy most of the time. I've tried quite a few cans and happy to try them for a time before I pass them on via selling them or giving them away. It's just the sound signature of the SZ2000 was not to my liking at all. I mostly try and like cans by giving them a fair chance. When I have a new can I'll give it almost all my time for at least a month. I think for me it's just a personal thing that I didn't like the SZ2000 and couldn't get them out of my house fast enough. Some people may like them for all genres. I just couldn't handle how much veil they had
post #825 of 3562
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Originally Posted by spurxiii View Post

Unfortunately I don't have the SZ anymore to try with this track but it does sound good with my TH600s. At the end of the day, with the Sz2000 there was just too much veil in the sound, not enough detail and to the extent it bothered me too much and I really tried very hard to like them. I even had them playing all the times I wasn't listening. But the burning in didn't help at all. Still that veil failed to subside. There were times when I had them with me at the train station and I had the feeling I wanted rip them off my head and drop kick them in front of the train

Hey, if the SZ2000's aren't for you - they aren't for you - I don't want to appear as though I'm trying to railroad you into liking them - cheesy pun intended biggrin.gif

I've the awesome TH600's too - they are spectacular cans for sure, the TH900's are a step up, but at double the price of the TH600's, they don't deliver double the quality (IMO) - diminishing returns is an appropriate term which comes to mind, but nonetheless these two top end cans are IMO, very special.

The only other JVC cans I presently own is the HP-DX1000 which has a build very similar to the FOSTEX TH600's but thicker ear pads and definitely a warmer sound signature - more forgiving in the highs than the TH600's too, but equally as easy to drive.

The TH600's and the HP-DX1000's are comparable, but the SZ2000's aren't to either of the aforementioned TBF, as they are in a lower price bracket and are aimed at a different sector of market.

JVC to me are bit of a dark horse in headphones - they do have some very diverse and good quality cans available, only they don't seem too good in the marketing of them. It's only through coming to this site of headphone enthusiasts that I heard of the SZ2000's in the first place, which I'm glad to have discovered equally.

For me, the SZ2000's have immediate instant appeal as a bass overload lover - especially when matched with bass odysseus like Wiz Khalifa's - On my level, which really showcases the subsonic earth moving ballistic bass that these cans soar at, and for everything else outside of bass heavy tracks not overdosed up on the EQ, maybe not necessarily the first set of cans I'd select, but I think these cans will endear themselves to me more so overtime outside specific use of the - how U like bass arena...cool.gif




Edited by cb3723 - 4/27/14 at 3:56pm
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