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post #526 of 1332
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Originally Posted by blueangel2323 View Post

What contour level do you have your ZO at? I guess I'm not as much of a basshead as you are... for me 8-10db total is enough for outdoor/commuting use, and for normal listening in quiet environments (i.e. indoors) I only need a small boost, maybe 5-6db.

 

countour level is set to around lvl 12-15 or so or the yellow-orange range. on a ZO2.1 which has slightly stronger bass than that of ZO2.3 at same level (more solid, hard hitting, less loose). I want to be able to feel the bass at lower-medium volume levels (mids & highs) when listening to hardstyle or it won't be near as satisfying. With genres like trance I don't usually feel the bass though because the bass is usually mixed much lower in volume while in hardstyle it usually makes up like 45-60% of the sound mixdown wise and usually tracks are mastered very loudly "brickwalled" when the kick drops with pretty much no headroom to go louder before distortion kicks in.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 6/18/13 at 8:33am
post #527 of 1332
What happens with a neutral headphone + level 32 on the ZO?
post #528 of 1332
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

countour level is set to around lvl 12-15 or so or the yellow-orange range. on a ZO2.1 which has slightly stronger bass than that of ZO2.3 at same level (more solid, hard hitting, less loose). I want to be able to feel the bass at lower-medium volume levels (mids & highs) when listening to hardstyle or it won't be near as satisfying. With genres like trance I don't usually feel the bass though because the bass is usually mixed much lower in volume while in hardstyle it usually makes up like 45-60% of the sound mixdown wise and usually tracks are mastered very loudly "brickwalled" when the kick drops with pretty much no headroom to go louder before distortion kicks in.

All that bass??! Lol, your ears must be damaged. You should try for a week eq'ing the bass down very low, and then listen at 10db bass boost. It opens you up to many different headphone options. I've Reyes my best not to get too attached to any sound signature because it severely limits my options for other headphones I may wanna buy in the future. This is just me though biggrin.gif.
post #529 of 1332

RPG, would you link one of your hardstyle fave songs here?

(just to compare tonight when I get home)

 

 

Thanks.

post #530 of 1332
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Originally Posted by Trunks159 View Post


All that bass??! Lol, your ears must be damaged. You should try for a week eq'ing the bass down very low, and then listen at 10db bass boost. It opens you up to many different headphone options. I've Reyes my best not to get too attached to any sound signature because it severely limits my options for other headphones I may wanna buy in the future. This is just me though biggrin.gif.

 

Yeah one's preferences can easily change over time and with listening to a wide range of sound signatures. Once upon a time I used to listen to the Skullcandy Ink'd with iPod bass boost on LOL but then I turned bass boost off with my Velodyne vPulse. Then I purchased the Shure SRH440 which sounds very good in its own way despite being very bass light in comparison, and now even the Q40 (which has less bass than the vPulse) has a bit too much bass when listening to some of my music (e.g. salsa) in quiet environments. I still like the huge bass when I'm outdoors but I've learned to appreciate more neutral sound signatures indoors. The downside is that now I can't listen to cheap crappy headphones like Skullcandy anymore as they just sound so terrible.
post #531 of 1332
Hahah, yea, same with me. On a side note, I just bough a pair of kef m500s and I'm forcing myself to only listen to cheap headphones, so I can properly evaluate them. [Rant alert!] I'm not really interested in the jvc since they seem a little overpriced (please don't yell at me lol) being headphones mainly for home use, and not delivering a natural/open/airy sound, unless of course someone can prove me wrong.

I guess you would only get the jvc if your a bass head and can't deal with open headphones' neutral and rolled off bass.
post #532 of 1332
do a review of the kefs please
post #533 of 1332
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Yeah one's preferences can easily change over time and with listening to a wide range of sound signatures. Once upon a time I used to listen to the Skullcandy Ink'd with iPod bass boost on LOL but then I turned bass boost off with my Velodyne vPulse. Then I purchased the Shure SRH440 which sounds very good in its own way despite being very bass light in comparison, and now even the Q40 (which has less bass than the vPulse) has a bit too much bass when listening to some of my music (e.g. salsa) in quiet environments. I still like the huge bass when I'm outdoors but I've learned to appreciate more neutral sound signatures indoors. The downside is that now I can't listen to cheap crappy headphones like Skullcandy anymore as they just sound so terrible.


That's exactly what happened to me. I went from being a bass-head, to learning about 320 mp3's and lossless, to eventually using good equipment. Now I appreciate the whole sound spectrum equally, but I feel that I'll always strive for quality bass since that's the first aspect of sound I really loved.

post #534 of 1332
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do a review of the kefs please

I will, and ill compare it to some of my other cans, like the ws99, mdr 1r, and Fidelio l1.
post #535 of 1332
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That's exactly what happened to me. I went from being a bass-head, to learning about 320 mp3's and lossless, to eventually using good equipment. Now I appreciate the whole sound spectrum equally, but I feel that I'll always strive for quality bass since that's the first aspect of sound I really loved.

For me neutral headphones just lack that bass depth. I've heard my ideal sound signature before, just not in headphones. You can achieve lots of bass, mids, highs, microdetails, imaging, layering, seperation, and clarity without sibilance all at the same time. I like my bass to be punchy and fast, but i also like it to slam and have depth. I've been able to achieve this sound in a car using MTX Audio amps, JBL speakers, and 2 10" JL Audio subs in a sealed box. That to me is audio nirvana. So, now I'm just searching for headphones that have the same sound signature and it is tough xD

post #536 of 1332
What neutral headphones don't you like?
post #537 of 1332
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Originally Posted by 7S Cameron View Post

For me neutral headphones just lack that bass depth. I've heard my ideal sound signature before, just not in headphones. You can achieve lots of bass, mids, highs, microdetails, imaging, layering, seperation, and clarity without sibilance all at the same time. I like my bass to be punchy and fast, but i also like it to slam and have depth. I've been able to achieve this sound in a car using MTX Audio amps, JBL speakers, and 2 10" JL Audio subs in a sealed box. That to me is audio nirvana. So, now I'm just searching for headphones that have the same sound signature and it is tough xD


Yeah, I think that it's the depth more than the slam that I'm after. Headphones that have proper bass depth seem to have a much better texture and layering. People forget that just because we're audiophiles and bass-heavy sound is being pushed by consumer products, that doesn't mean bass isn't a large part of the sound. People have no problem with quality highs and mids, but people shy away from bass oriented signatures because they are the norm. It doesn't mean that we want boomy, bloated, untextured bass. Bass is just as important as the highs, since they are both at the frequency extremes. I'm really having trouble deciding between whether I want an HE-400 or an HD650 because of this. I prefer the HE-400 in bass and highs, but the HD650 has amazing mids. I think the shame that audiophiles give to bass is influencing me since I remember loving the HE-400 with the pleather pads, so I can't even imagine how good they would sound out of better upstream equipment and the velour pads.

post #538 of 1332
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Originally Posted by ToddTheMetalGod View Post


Yeah, I think that it's the depth more than the slam that I'm after. Headphones that have proper bass depth seem to have a much better texture and layering. People forget that just because we're audiophiles and bass-heavy sound is being pushed by consumer products, that doesn't mean bass isn't a large part of the sound. People have no problem with quality highs and mids, but people shy away from bass oriented signatures because they are the norm. It doesn't mean that we want boomy, bloated, untextured bass. Bass is just as important as the highs, since they are both at the frequency extremes. I'm really having trouble deciding between whether I want an HE-400 or an HD650 because of this. I prefer the HE-400 in bass and highs, but the HD650 has amazing mids. I think the shame that audiophiles give to bass is influencing me since I remember loving the HE-400 with the pleather pads, so I can't even imagine how good they would sound out of better upstream equipment and the velour pads.

 

I agree with you. It bothers me that people refer to cold, analytical, bass-shy headphones as "neutral" because to me, neutral should mean completely transparent, not altering the original sound in any way. Having LESS bass than the original recording is just as non-neutral as exaggerated bass. Neutral should mean the same amount of bass (and everything else) as the recording, no more, no less.

 

Have you considered the HE-500, if it's within your budget? It's more neutral, and the mids are smoother without the dip.
post #539 of 1332
Well there's no such thing as actual neutral. If the headphone is bass light, it's bass light, not neutral, so yes I agree. It can be analytical, as long as the sound sounds natural, and right. What headphones would you consider bass light and cold, I'd say the MDR 7506 is pretty cold and analytical, but musical at the same time.
post #540 of 1332
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Originally Posted by blueangel2323 View Post

 

I agree with you. It bothers me that people refer to cold, analytical, bass-shy headphones as "neutral" because to me, neutral should mean completely transparent, not altering the original sound in any way. Having LESS bass than the original recording is just as non-neutral as exaggerated bass. Neutral should mean the same amount of bass (and everything else) as the recording, no more, no less.

 

Have you considered the HE-500, if it's within your budget? It's more neutral, and the mids are smoother without the dip.


Unfortunately it's out of my budget, I just put a bunch of money into my computer. Not to mention I only bought my first pair of audiophile-grade headphones last year, so I wouldn't feel right paying so much for a pair of headphones yet. In the future it's between the HE-500 and LCD-2 though, so perhaps I'll end up with the HE-500 eventually. That sounds like exactly what I want, then again I've never heard the HE-500 or LCD-2 to compare. Thanks for the suggestion smily_headphones1.gif.

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