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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

How are they compared to the Paradox? Just as neutral?

 

The Paradox is more neutral, faster, cleaner, and just all around more refined.  We're comparing different technologies here though (orthodynamic vs "traditional" dynamic), so that isn't entirely unexpected.  That being said.. both phones squarely fall in the "neutral" to "neutral/delicately warm" family of signatures.. so they do have a similar 'feel.'  My Paradox has been on tour for the better part of seven months now, so I am going off memory.. but the M500 is probably a tad brighter.. not to the point it's wildly treble boosted or anything.. but it's probably got a couple of peaks in the treble that the Paradox doesn't.

post #437 of 675

The treble is pretty neutral and extended on the M500. The Paradox rolls off, IIRC. That might be why it may appear to be smoother. 

post #438 of 675

These are interesting comments. I tried the M500 earlier this week; and I borrowed Musica Acoustics Mad Dogs 3.2 for a couple of weeks but returned them last week - so there was a week difference and therefore my memory of the Mad Dogs is also based on memory.

 

The demo M500 I tried were quite warm and to me the Mad Dogs were the more neutral of the two. Which leads me to a few questions :-

 

1) Do the Mad Dogs and Paradox differ in signature tremendously? I wouldn't say the Mad Dogs trebles roll-off for example.

2) I don't know how new the M500 demo cans are nor no long had they been burnt in, but if they're new and not burnt in, do the treble extension dramatically with burn-in?

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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post

The M500 reminds me of the HiFiMan RE-400 in many ways.. but with a more dynamic presentation.. larger soundstage.. better detail.. better treble presence (by extension, more air and openness) and better PRaT.

cannot believe that. have not heard a. portable fullsize, that can compete with these little gems.
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

These are interesting comments. I tried the M500 earlier this week; and I borrowed Musica Acoustics Mad Dogs 3.2 for a couple of weeks but returned them last week - so there was a week difference and therefore my memory of the Mad Dogs is also based on memory.

 

The demo M500 I tried were quite warm and to me the Mad Dogs were the more neutral of the two. Which leads me to a few questions :-

 

1) Do the Mad Dogs and Paradox differ in signature tremendously? I wouldn't say the Mad Dogs trebles roll-off for example.

2) I don't know how new the M500 demo cans are nor no long had they been burnt in, but if they're new and not burnt in, do the treble extension dramatically with burn-in?

 

1)  I can't speak for the MDs as I haven't heard them.  I found the Paradox' treble to be very smooth.. it wasn't particularly sparkly or open.. I found it smooth, detailed and accurate.  My pair's been on tour, but that's concluding soon.. so I should have them back and will offer my thoughts on them in my tour thread, Sean.

 

2)  I found that treble presence does improve with after you've logged a good 10-20 hours on them.  Not night and day or anything, but the treble did sound cleaner and more balanced (with the mids) after some time.  Of course, I have no way of truly comparing in an objective or DBT manner, but I've listened to enough gear and can trust my ears to be honest (while remaining aware of my biases).  The M500 certainly lean to the warm side of neutral, ootb and the treble may sound a bit recessed then.  I found the bass tightens up and the treble gets cleaner with some play.. and that becomes more prevalent when amped (with neutral upstream gear).  As I mentioned earlier, the M500 is surprisingly transparent, too.. so if you found it overly warm, perhaps it was your DAC or amp?  I certainly for the M500 brighter than the RE-400, if that point of reference helps... but it isn't sparkly or "brilliant," either.


Originally Posted by sofastreamer View Post

cannot believe that. have not heard a. portable fullsize, that can compete with these little gems.

 

Believe it!  I had the RE-400 for quite some time.. loved it too (though I thought it lacked some treble presence and left some PRaT to be desired due to the "polite" way it presented the leading edges of notes).  If you liked the RE-400, you'd very much enjoy the M500, IMO.

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I tried using the $50 off code on Razordog, but the KEFs were not qualified. But then I got an email from RazorDog suggesting I try coupon code RAZORDOG20.....and it works for 20% off the KEFs. So I just bought them for about $240. Can't resist a deal like that :)

 

http://www.razordogaudio.com/products/kef-m500-hi-fi-headphone?utm_source=google-product-search&gclid=CIKH2-TH0rgCFenm7AodUhkAnQ

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Originally Posted by Nirmalanow View Post

I tried using the $50 off code on Razordog, but the KEFs were not qualified. But then I got an email from RazorDog suggesting I try coupon code RAZORDOG20.....and it works for 20% off the KEFs. So I just bought them for about $240. Can't resist a deal like that :)

 

http://www.razordogaudio.com/products/kef-m500-hi-fi-headphone?utm_source=google-product-search&gclid=CIKH2-TH0rgCFenm7AodUhkAnQ

They are a fantastic deal at $240! 

post #443 of 675
The more I listen to these the more I like them and at $269 shipped to Canada I was very happy with the price.

They are not super secure feeling unless I wear a hat but the comfort and sound is worth having to fuss with them occasionally.

I still find their timbre to be off a bit on my Nokia 920 but it's still good enough I use them anyway and they are divine with my computers and iDevices.
Edited by dweaver - 7/28/13 at 1:00pm
post #444 of 675

Any comparisons of the KEF M500 to the Westone 4R?

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I have the w4 and my m500 will be here tuesday.
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

Any comparisons of the KEF M500 to the Westone 4R?
post #446 of 675

How does this compare to Focal Spirit?

Those phones sound pretty damn good

post #447 of 675

Well, just picked up a pair from the F/S forum (FlySweep's pair). Dave's (beagle) recommendation really got my interest piqued. He and I agreed on the PSB M4U 2's so I'm thinking this was a safe bet. We'll see how they compare to my other portables that I've tried:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/672743/comparisons-psb-m4u2-senn-momentum-sony-mdr-1r-bose-qc15-beats-executive-dt1350-ue9000/60#post_9655614

 

Currently the Momentums are my favourites. I see that they're not favoured by SRH940 owners, but that's to be expected as they actually have bass. tongue.gif Sorry, couldn't resist slagging my least favourite headphones in the last 3 years. I'll update the thread above with my findings.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 7/29/13 at 6:21pm
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Currently the Momentums are my favourites. I see that they're not favoured by SRH940 owners, but that's to be expected as they actually have bass. tongue.gif Sorry, couldn't resist slagging my least favourite headphones in the last 3 years. I'll update the thread above with my findings.

 

LOL! 
Well, I loved my SRH940s and I like the KEFs...

After using them exclusively for this past week, I think they are alright BUT still, my initial impressions stand!

 

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Wow... these are tiny!

Extremely comfortable on my head as of now (I'll update after I have them on for a few hours or so). They do feel "loose" though.

 

They seem well built.

Don't particularly like that one end is 3.5mm and the other is 2.5mm (or so...)

 

Sound wise, "Ok" Separation.

Sound stage is not that closed in as I thought it would be.

Reproduction I'd say OVERLY warm... Pretty sure it will be a bit "forgiving". Listened to a couple of bass heavy tracks and I was surprised at the attack and slam. Listened to Fiona Apple, the warmth was a bit too much for my ears though, her vocals was crisp but everything else seemed too much "in the background"... instruments felt like movie stand-ins... A couple of faster tracks from Less than Jake and Blink 182 sounded good, probably similar to the Mad Dogs but I don't have them with me right now.

 

Warm, lacking air and detail up-top but not bad at all. I can indeed say these are the best on-ears I've tried, but I haven't tried many of those ;)

I'll probably sell them soon.

 

BTW, I have the Momentums AND the PSB M4U 1s on the way, so I will probably provide my thoughts on your thread! ;)

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Originally Posted by gelocks View Post

 

After using them exclusively for this past week, I think they are alright BUT still, my initial impressions stand!

 

Still waiting on your comparisons with the MDs. I know they aren't as good, but was hoping these can be a portable alternate to them....

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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post

 

Still waiting on your comparisons with the MDs. I know they aren't as good, but was hoping these can be a portable alternate to them....

 

Sure!

I have so many things on my head that I always forget! This is a copy+paste from what I had written this weekend.

 

Driven from my Icon HDP --> Lehman BCL.

 

Began with Amber Rubarth - Washing Day (Flac). BOTH headphones provide this warm, intimate relationship that you wouldn't want to let go off ;-)

Amber sounds delicious on both headphones, in fact, her voice sounds more up-front to me on the KEFs than on the Mad Dogs but clarity, and details can be heard better from the Mad Dogs.

Bear in mind, Mad Dogs DO NEED POWER to sound as tasty as I'm speaking of while the KEF provides a similar sound/signature without the need to bring out the guns! (this is definitely a pro!)

Audio quality wise, can live with both listening to this track.

 

Continued with Daft Punk's - Get Lucky.

To my surprise, the KEFs provide good slam, good attack throughout the whole range! Bass sounds excellent, vocals sound excellent and I'm glad to say it's all very clear and natural sounding! Sound stage provided on this track is excellent (DP always do make great recordings though...). Same song on the MDs actually sounds MORE laid back (as if bass slam was lacking behind), very enjoyable but prefered the KEFs on this track.

 

Fiona Apple - Better version of me.

MDs do so wonderful with vocals, it's mesmerizing... and it happens with this track. Instrument separation and detail is off the charts. Piano sounds natural and excellent, bass line is extremely tasty and powerful. One of the best showings on the Mad Dogs to my ears. The KEFs also do excellent on this track though! Bass line is even MORE palpable here! Yes, it "slams" a bit more without muddiying everything to bits! Vocals also excellent but overall sound it is definitely a bit more closed in, so in more congested parts (from 1:33 - 2:00) it sounds good but doesn't top the Mad Dogs. Other than that, it's REALLY a toss up!

 

J-King y Maximan - Ella me pide something

Now, if you think the KEFs, looking so little and fragile don't do proper sub-bass, YOU ARE MISTAKEN! LOL! This puppies can indeed go low and provide the sub bass you need. This track in particular I like because it alternates octaves in the bassline both being powerful and rhytmic in order to keep on going "el perreo" (a street slang word on how these type of music is danced...). Vocals sound a bit shrill though, but it is due to the recording. On the other side, the Mad Dogs definitely go as low as the KEFs BUT overall it is definitely a bit more laid back on it, especially the vocals, so it is a bit more forgiving here... Again, another toss-up.

 

Kaskade - Fire in your new shoes

After listening to the previous tracks, had to keep the energy going... the KEFs do OK here too. Good clarity, attack, details and speed! It can keep up no problems with tracks like these. Yeah it does sound a bit warm than on let's say, my Denon-modded D5000s/Perfect Sound D901s/Signature DJs/etc. but it's the nature of the headphones. The Mad Dogs though kill it on this track. The bit wider sound stage comes to the rescue! The KEFs sound too closed-in here while the Mad Dogs give the track a bit more room to breathe so definitely prefer the MDs.

 

Going on and on with other genres (Salsa, Merengue, Hip hop), the story repeats, where on some tracks I prefered the KEFs and others the Mad Dogs BUT... here is where it gets interesting (to me at least! LOL)... in order to get proper enjoyment out of the KEFs, I NEED TO PUMP UP THE VOLUME! The KEFs to me sound WAY BETTER at higher volumes!!! At low volumes the attack and clarity seems lacking, heck even missing and this is why I was saying before that they were "boring"! I usually don't like to blast my ears off (unless I'm comparing headphones ;)) so that's not good for me. At lower volumes they are just too warm, they don't excel, they don't hit your face... at higher volumes they come alive! The Mad Dogs are just naturally good sounding even at lower volumes... well, at least to me!

 

All in all, the KEFs are good, similarly sounding to the Mad Dogs, maybe a bit more warmer (especially at lower volumes), but can provide good attack, clarity and details when cranked up.

Sound Quality is a toss up so I cannot rank it. though if you value sound stage/separation, that might be a problem on some tracks.

Comfort, definitely the Mad Dogs take the cake... (the KEFs become uncomfortable to me after 3+ hours... and yes, I have headphones on my head for at least 6 hours a day at work...) but this will probably vary per person too (I use glasses...)

Build, Both are alright. I do hate the 2.5mm entry on the KEFs though... I wanted to use my V-Moda cable on both headphones! LOL!

 

For $250, the KEFs are a good buy if you want an very good sounding on-ear, highly portable, easily driven, good-looking headphone!

If you don't mind portability, if you want more comfort, and if you are going to be using an amp and don't care about looks, still would recommend the Mad Dogs! ;)

 

Oddly enough, I'd still pick the KEFs over some other headphones such as Sony MDR-1Rs (fatiguing upper-mids for me...), V-Moda M80s (look good, sound good, but missing highs...), etc.

 

So again, good effort from KEF!

Wonder if they'll come out with a full over-ear one soon... Hmmmm... that'll be one to watch! ;)

 

Sorry for taking so late for my impressions.

A couple of pics:

 

Resting... BTW, Orquesta Macabeo's CD is VERY good! (Salsa music! ;-))

 

Yup, they are very tiny! I'm always surprised by things like these producing much bigger sound than expected...

 

Mad Dogs! Don't you dare bite the KEFs!! BAD DOGGY!!! :p

 

Between headphones (boxes on the left contain: Denon LA5000, Spider Moonlight, Beyer case for the Mad dogs)

On the right: JVC HA-SZ2000 (for sale :p), Spider PowerForce (for sale also ;)) and in the bags Perfect Sound Dido D901 and Monster N-Pulse... not seen).

Ultrasone Signature DJ is out of the room taking a stroll.

Equipment, Lehman BCL, Nuforce Icon HDP, Audio Technica cheapo turntable and Lexicon Omega Pro Interface for when I decide to record something... :p


Edited by gelocks - 7/29/13 at 8:55pm
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