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I'm jealous of you and DefQon. I need to get drunk and get on Head-Fi more and perhaps I can wake up with a custom title as well... so far everytime I'm drunk I keep getting banned from various threads as I go about ranting. I need to learn the fine art of gaining custom titles without being banned. evil_smiley.gif 

 

*that would make a nice custome title "Should be banned"

LOL I usually get banned from a lot of threads ranting while being sober. Guess drinking + internet does have it's benefits.

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How many long established members are lining up to buy them? wink.gif
I'm definitely not. biggrin.gif

 

I bought a pair, dBel bought a pair, and I know Purrin would most likely buy a pair if he weren't into speakers primarily now (and swearing off headphones in general). Frank Cooter was quoted as saying they sounded right up his alley (something to the effect of their being "what I've been looking for"). Jason from Schiit Audio posted on another forum that they were among the most impressive headphones he's ever heard (part of an overall analysis that included some very astute concerns w/ branding and marketing). Dunno if they plan on buying a set.

 

Thing is, folks who really like them don't spend on megabux headphones in general. Tyll for instance really likes the Abyss, but he's not going to buy one. He's not lining up to buy a SR-009 either. Same with a lot of other folks I've talked to over the last few months.

 

Also I'm sure there are folks who listen to the Abyss and enjoy it but already have the far more well-established SR-009 and can't really justify two supercars in one garage.

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Btw, Frank Cooter is around these boards still?

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Eww really ugly (IMO) , they remind me of the Klipsch mode m40 (Ahhh aren't they amazing) :P

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

How many long established members are lining up to buy them? wink.gif
I'm definitely not. biggrin.gif

 

I bought a pair, dBel bought a pair, and I know Purrin would most likely buy a pair if he weren't into speakers primarily now (and swearing off headphones in general). Frank Cooter was quoted as saying they sounded right up his alley (something to the effect of their being "what I've been looking for"). Jason from Schiit Audio posted on another forum that they were among the most impressive headphones he's ever heard (part of an overall analysis that included some very astute concerns w/ branding and marketing). Dunno if they plan on buying a set.

 

Thing is, folks who really like them don't spend on megabux headphones in general. Tyll for instance really likes the Abyss, but he's not going to buy one. He's not lining up to buy a SR-009 either. Same with a lot of other folks I've talked to over the last few months.

 

Also I'm sure there are folks who listen to the Abyss and enjoy it but already have the far more well-established SR-009 and can't really justify two supercars in one garage.

 

That doesn't surprise me. I would love to try a pair and all that, but at the price there is a pair of speakers and at least one TOTL Nikon lens that would fit within their price I'd rather own. If I were earning $100k/year and was blown away by them, maybe it'd be different, but then if I was I'd own an Apex Pinnacle, Linn Klimax Solo mono blocks, custom SET amps and have two whole hi-fi systems and a house in which to listen with them and the Abyss would be the icing on the cake. smile.gif

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That doesn't surprise me. I would love to try a pair and all that, but at the price there is a pair of speakers and at least one TOTL Nikon lens that would fit within their price I'd rather own. If I were earning $100k/year and was blown away by them, maybe it'd be different, but then if I was I'd own an Apex Pinnacle, Linn Klimax Solo mono blocks, custom SET amps and have two whole hi-fi systems and a house in which to listen with them and the Abyss would be the icing on the cake. smile.gif

"Stuff We Like" doesn't inspire from innerfidelity.com (as you said Amos "I am so disappointed" in the comments section). I've said all I have to really say about these cans. I do plan on hearing them, but my excitement is definitely tempered by some of the impressions thus far (like n3rdling's and Tyll's). I'm quite sure that they'll sound pretty good to very good. But for $5k +, I expect fantastic sounding cans that can perform and deliver what's on the recording. We shall see...


Edited by MacedonianHero - 7/25/13 at 7:59pm
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Btw, Frank Cooter is around these boards still?

 

Lately I've been busy with other things, but I'm definitely still around. If you're interested in my impressions of the Abyss, then check out my post in the LA meet impressions thread. In a nutshell, they're crude, ugly, way overpriced, and have a somewhat ragged frequency response. Even if I had the kind of money they go for, I wouldn't be buying a pair. That said , they do a number of things better than any headphone I've ever heard. They sound more like speakers than traditional headphones. Speculation is fun, but because they are so different from any other headphone, you'll need to hear them to form any sort of meaningful opinion.
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

 

I bought a pair, dBel bought a pair, and I know Purrin would most likely buy a pair if he weren't into speakers primarily now (and swearing off headphones in general). Frank Cooter was quoted as saying they sounded right up his alley (something to the effect of their being "what I've been looking for"). Jason from Schiit Audio posted on another forum that they were among the most impressive headphones he's ever heard (part of an overall analysis that included some very astute concerns w/ branding and marketing). Dunno if they plan on buying a set.

 

Thing is, folks who really like them don't spend on megabux headphones in general. Tyll for instance really likes the Abyss, but he's not going to buy one. He's not lining up to buy a SR-009 either. Same with a lot of other folks I've talked to over the last few months.

 

Also I'm sure there are folks who listen to the Abyss and enjoy it but already have the far more well-established SR-009 and can't really justify two supercars in one garage.

 

I never said that they sound poorly / bad. I can't, never heard them (though I'm looking forward to hearing them down the road). I'm quite sure that they sound pretty/very good. Just that some responses from some very good ears (Tyll's/n3rdlings) have left me "cold". Throw in the "Stuff We Like" ranking; whereas for this price, I'm looking for "Wall of Fame" territory AND exemplary performance (in terms of measurements that show that the drivers are able to reproduce what they get from my upstream rig).  Financially I can very comfortably justify two "supercars" in one garage and I'm fairly certain my GS-X MKII would be more than up to the task. My wife just got the kitchen reno of her dreams, so my audio runway is wide open for some payback. wink.gif But couple these comments (with Frank's below) and I'm thinking maybe a new Nikon instead?

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Lately I've been busy with other things, but I'm definitely still around. If you're interested in my impressions of the Abyss, then check out my post in the LA meet impressions thread. In a nutshell, they're crude, ugly, way overpriced, and have a somewhat ragged frequency response. Even if I had the kind of money they go for, I wouldn't be buying a pair. That said , they do a number of things better than any headphone I've ever heard. They sound more like speakers than traditional headphones. Speculation is fun, but because they are so different from any other headphone, you'll need to hear them to form any sort of meaningful opinion.

Edited by MacedonianHero - 7/25/13 at 8:44pm
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Listen if you get a chance. I actually liked them a lot. The exiting thing here is the potential, which if realized, could conceivably set an entirely new standard of headphone performance.
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Listen if you get a chance. I actually liked them a lot. The exiting thing here is the potential, which if realized, could conceivably set an entirely new standard of headphone performance.

Oh, I definitely hope to (and sooner than later). 

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Here is an interesting review:

 

http://www.hifiplus.com/articles/first-listen-abyss-ab-1266-planar-magnetic-headphones/

 

It would have been interesting to know what amps were used with both headphones. If it was the Liquid Gold with the Abyss and a regular Stax amp with the 009s I wouldn't be surprised at his impressions, but his review doesn't have much detail.

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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

 

It would have been interesting to know what amps were used with both headphones. If it was the Liquid Gold with the Abyss and a regular Stax amp with the 009s I wouldn't be surprised at his impressions, but his review doesn't have much detail.

 

I have a feeling he did use the Cavalli Audio Liquid Gold because he reviewed that amp the day before:

 

http://www.hifiplus.com/articles/first-listen-cavalli-audio-liquid-gold-fully-balanced-headphone-amplifier/

 

 

Also some clues as to what was used with the Stax SR-009 from a previous review he did:

 

http://www.avguide.com/review/stax-sr-009-electrostatic-earspeaker-playback-54

 

Looks like he probably used the Woo Audio WES (not a regular stax amp, if I had to guess).

 

A full review should come in a month or so. Hopefully, such details will be outlined.

post #419 of 547
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Originally Posted by FrankCooter View Post

 

Lately I've been busy with other things, but I'm definitely still around. If you're interested in my impressions of the Abyss, then check out my post in the LA meet impressions thread. In a nutshell, they're crude, ugly, way overpriced, and have a somewhat ragged frequency response. Even if I had the kind of money they go for, I wouldn't be buying a pair. That said , they do a number of things better than any headphone I've ever heard. They sound more like speakers than traditional headphones. Speculation is fun, but because they are so different from any other headphone, you'll need to hear them to form any sort of meaningful opinion.

Cool. Slightly off-topic but I've seen pictures of that electrostatic amplifier you made you've brought to past meets, pretty awesome stuff.

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Thing is, folks who really like them don't spend on megabux headphones in general. Tyll for instance really likes the Abyss, but he's not going to buy one. He's not lining up to buy a SR-009 either. Same with a lot of other folks I've talked to over the last few months.

Also I'm sure there are folks who listen to the Abyss and enjoy it but already have the far more well-established SR-009 and can't really justify two supercars in one garage.

Isn't it a question of priorities and judgment call about what you get for the amount of money? If am pretty convinced that ANY passionate headphone geek will find a way to finance the phone if it truly / fully delivers on what they're after.

For instance, some people just find the 009/BHSE ruthlessly revealing to the point of taking the fun out if the listening experience (in particular when using subpar source material). Maybe that's not exactly how Tyll feels but it could part of the reason why he doesn't own one regardless of how well it performs.

For the abyss, there appears to be a consensus that it does some things extraordinaly well (the bass response and openness of soundstage) while being judged as ok to plainly terrible in other areas such as the treble response (multiple reputable members made similar observations). At that price point (and even much lower prices actually), it's pretty hard to justify a purchase if you readily notice faults from even just short time audition.

Then again, people tastes vary tremendously and some might not feel bothered by the phones faults (as you mentioned, some ortho fans are delighted with the abyss).

Personnally, I find the subjective reactions very enlightening because they echo the initial concerns with the choices being made for the design.
Example: treble ringing is pretty standard issue with orthos hence the heavy use of felts/absorbers to damp the diaphragm. The abyss designers went with a metallic foam, extremely open which acts more like a dust cover than damping layer.
I wonder if this is what yields a very snappy transient response and open sound but the transient response takes its toll with excessive ringing / smearing of the high frequencies. The metallic foam was a deliberate design decision after some extensive trials, I guess the designers relied on subjective results and didn't mind the drawbacks of the choices being made.

The move to inherently non-linear transduction principle (instead of the traditional push-pull configuration with magnets on both sides of the traces) was pretty bold too. There again, it seems objectivity was left aside and what sounded better to the designers was used (like for instance a more open sounding can).

I guess this is the same "conflict" as always between the objectivists who will dismiss the item on a technical ground without even giving it a chance and subjectivists who will take anything as long as it sounds good to them...

I personnaly try to keep my mind open but have to admit the acoustic engineer in me is not really putting much hope in the abyss (in its current form) based on the design choices and measurements. The impressions from people who's hearing I very much trust make me all the more dubious on this can being truly that exceptional.
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