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post #271 of 547

Headfi stalwarts know that months before a product hits the stores we "discuss" the design and  possible sonic attributes.

 

When we have a sufficient base of real data, we go into the fanboy phase.

 

After a suitable time lapses, we find another product to pick on and repeat the process.

 

Then, and only then, will the real status of the previous victim's qualities emerge.

 

 

Case in point 1.

The AKG K701/ Senn HD650 debate.

K701 was THE phone of choice. Did everything better.

Now, where is the K701 in relation to the HD650?

 

Case in point 2.

The Audeze LCD-2/ Senn HD800 debate.

LCD-2 was faster, more articulate and better in most areas than the HD800.

Now, Where is the LCD-2 in relation to the HD800?

 

Truth is the daughter of time.

post #272 of 547
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Originally Posted by wink View Post

Headfi stalwarts know that months before a product hits the stores we "discuss" the design and  possible sonic attributes.

 

When we have a sufficient base of real data, we go into the fanboy phase.

 

After a suitable time lapses, we find another product to pick on and repeat the process.

 

Then, and only then, will the real status of the previous victim's qualities emerge.

 

 

Case in point 1.

The AKG K701/ Senn HD650 debate.

K701 was THE phone of choice. Did everything better.

Now, where is the K701 in relation to the HD650?

 

Case in point 2.

The Audeze LCD-2/ Senn HD800 debate.

LCD-2 was faster, more articulate and better in most areas than the HD800.

Now, Where is the LCD-2 in relation to the HD800?

 

Truth is the daughter of time.

So true. It was like K701 vs everything else even compared to the HD800.

 

Or you get people like me who don't really give a schiit as long as it sounds good.

post #273 of 547
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Originally Posted by wink View Post

Headfi stalwarts know that months before a product hits the stores we "discuss" the design and  possible sonic attributes.

 

When we have a sufficient base of real data, we go into the fanboy phase.

 

After a suitable time lapses, we find another product to pick on and repeat the process.

 

Then, and only then, will the real status of the previous victim's qualities emerge.

 

 

Case in point 1.

The AKG K701/ Senn HD650 debate.

K701 was THE phone of choice. Did everything better.

Now, where is the K701 in relation to the HD650?

 

Case in point 2.

The Audeze LCD-2/ Senn HD800 debate.

LCD-2 was faster, more articulate and better in most areas than the HD800.

Now, Where is the LCD-2 in relation to the HD800?

 

Truth is the daughter of time.

 

Couldn't have said it better.   I've seen this too many times to count and there is always this mistaken belief that newer is indeed better.  Just take something like the HE400, has anybody sat down and compared them to the HD600/650 and concluded that newer is better? 

post #274 of 547

Starting to think that we should be comparing all new phones against the worst piece of junk we can find. It may be easier to quantify that way.:)

 

At least we would leave out the spenders oblige to justify the thing.

 

Heres to the Skullcandy Hesh as the new reference phonebiggrin.gif
 

post #275 of 547
Maybe consider placing something new on your head first.cool.gif


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Originally Posted by Hutnicks View Post

Starting to think that we should be comparing all new phones against the worst piece of junk we can find. It may be easier to quantify that way.smily_headphones1.gif

At least we would leave out the spenders oblige to justify the thing.
 

Edited by Joe Skubinski - 5/26/13 at 10:03pm
post #276 of 547
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Maybe consider placing something new on your head first.cool.gif


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Like a hat? I already have more headphones than any one person ought to. And a list of previously owned which would be the size of muppets thread if I put em all en profile. (Thats not bragging, I'm rather ashamed of my previous spending habits over the past 30 years in audio.)

 

The minimum reference may in fact be an equalizer. Rather than compare everything to everything perhaps we should be looking as to how much better than the agreed minimum reference any given phone is. A reference anyone can get hold of to listen to.

 

Perhaps we have all come at this game from the wrong endwink_face.gif

 

Now lets see the Objective Inquisition get a handle on that. Surely they can measure a minimum. I've already aired my pick (The Hesh). What would be yours.

post #277 of 547

Beats are hard to beat for mediocrity.

post #278 of 547

Heard em both. Yech!!!

Hesh does a pretty good job of beating the Beats in that department.

Beats is like walking in mud. With Hesh you are knee deep.

At least they are cheaper - and with good reason.

post #279 of 547

Any Abyss impressions yetblink.gif

post #280 of 547

They're supposedly at THE Show at Newport (going on right now), so we might get a couple of impressions in the next day.

post #281 of 547

There was a mention from the show link

 

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Tied for best sound, and I have to admit something I had never heard before today: the Abyss headphones (see thread here), fed by a Cavalli Liquid Gold amp from a Mytek DAC out of an iMac. Just amazing. Best of all - this was the Cable Company table, and they were neither selling those nor too busy to chat.
 
post #282 of 547

Heard these at THE Show Newport, unfortunately not with my own handpicked tracks but the Cable Company computer had enough familiar material.

 

These things are good - seriously, insanely, no-apologies-or-qualifications-needed good. Better than my LCD-3s. (Not crushingly better, but noticeably.) Of course the Cavalli amp didn't hurt, but as with the Audezes the Abysses (Abyssi?) will illustrate the strengths/weaknesses of whatever you feed them. These are my new favorite bass phones - they plumb the abyss with power and control. Highs are also extended and sweet. Unlike some top tier phones (which I won't name but whose initials are HP 800 and T1) there is never a hint of harshness, grain, aggressiveness or anything unpleasant. These get closer than the Audezes to that electrostat transparency which I pine for. In art terms, planars are oils while electrostats are watercolors; each can be beautiful but especially with acoustic music electrostats are just that much better at the microdetail.

 

Unfortunately everything else is a mixed bag. I didn't find the weight objectionable, but then my neck is trained to Audeze standards. Fit comfort was lacking. The (very nice leather) ear pads are angled, but I couldn't get what I considered a proper seal. The top bar would pivot, but only toward the rear, so no help. After I got home I wondered if the pads weren't on the wrong cups - they attach magnetically and thus can easily be switched and even "clocked," i.e. rotated around the cup. I saw no channel markings on the cups - the stealth theme is overdone. But I'll bet that with some experimentation the fit could be much better, which would only improve the sound quality.

 

Style-wide, each to their own but for me they are a Fail. Both the Abyss and the Audeze could be described as Steampunk (a term I'm getting tired of.) But if the LCDs are steampunk done with elegance, the Abyss is SteamClunk, as in a clunky design. When designing the Lotus racers and sports cars, Colin Chapman tried to carve away every unneeded bit of material. The Abyss takes the opposite approach - it could be part of a 19th century bridge. And that horizontal top bar - imagine Frankenstein's monster wearing headphones, and these are his cans. Maybe the designer was a Boris Karloff fan?

 

Finally the 800-pound gorilla - the price. Hey, what the market will bear is a time-honored tradition. Headphones aren't gasoline or dialysis - we have a choice. Anyone who buys these phones will have to open their ears - and wallet - to the music, but close their eyes to everything else. Probably the natural competition is the Stax 009 (which is suddenly looking almost like a bargain - thanks Abyss for revising my perspective.) I'd greatly enjoy more time with both - but I suspect the lover of acoustic in general and classical in particular will still lean towards to stats. The rocker will probably favor the Abyss. But either will impress, though not enough to get me to fork over list price.

 

Still, hear the Abyss if you can.

post #283 of 547

That's very interesting, it's nice to finally hear some positive comments about the Abyss, i just hope that i'll be able to hear them at the next Montréal Hi-Fi show.

 

Thanks for letting us know your impressions 45longcolt.

post #284 of 547

So, this has both the sublime and the ridiculous.

 

The sound is sublime, and

the design is ridiculous.

post #285 of 547
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So, this has both the sublime and the ridiculous.

 

The sound is sublime, and

the design is ridiculous.

More ridiculous on top of that, waiting for more concrete impressions but I should be able to hear a pair once A2A get's some in here.

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