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post #226 of 547
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Originally Posted by dukeskd View Post


Grado, or Joe Grado started the company with the experience of building high-end microphones and cartridges for over 40 years in the late 1980s. You absolutely cannot compare Grado with JPS. Any engineer would immediately tell you that cables do not make any difference to sound quality, however JPS say otherwise. It is this mentality that makes this headphone a bad joke in a way and why so many of us are here discussing + predicting its fate.

 

Actually they can, but not in the way the Cryogenicaly Civit excreted metal hawkers would have you think. As long as it has the capacity to carry the bandwidth of the music you are playing back (and this becomes relevant as the bit rates are now rising) there will be no difference in cable. In fact any difference you think you hear is going to be derogatory and induced by capacitance and resistance in the cable itself.

 

In short your 10 cent a foot CAT 6 ethernet cable will perform about as well as any boutique stuff.

 

Grado also to my knowledge did not tackle the Ortho thing right out of the gate. Different kettle altogether.

post #227 of 547
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Cat 6 cable is extremely stiff and microphonic. Let's not get into a subjective vs objective cable debate. 

post #228 of 547
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Cat 6 cable is extremely stiff and microphonic. Let's not get into a subjective vs objective cable debate. 


It was in illustration not a recommendationrolleyes.gif I'd recommend Pirelli Nuclear shieldwink.gif

post #229 of 547
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lol, but yeah I strongly agree with the first part of what dukes said being Grado manufacturing cartridges and all compared to a company that offers snake oil and out of the blue demanding 5k for an ortho that some early "meet-impressions" here have said they are about on LCD2's level.


Edited by DefQon - 5/20/13 at 10:13pm
post #230 of 547
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lol, but yeah I strongly agree with the first part of what dukes said being Grado manufacturing cartridges and all compared to a company that offers snake oil and out of the blue demanding 5k for an ortho that some early "meet-impressions" here have said they are about on LCD2's level.

Why not offer a link to who posted that they were on level with the LCD2's?

You're really beginning to sound like an industry insider!

Joe
post #231 of 547
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All i'm saying is, although they have set the bar VERY high, let's give them a chance to prove themselves before crucifying them based on looks and price alone.

This. The proof will be in the hearing.

I just wish the ugly stick was left out of the equation.

Then the numbers might just stack up.

post #232 of 547
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post #233 of 547
Quote:anetode
It's not a *bad* headphone, maybe competitive in the 300$ range. Though I'd still rather get an he400 from that segment. Detail wise it's outdone by the mad dogs and the he500, slam-wise it's outdone by the lcd3, soundstage-wise it's second to the yamaha yhd2 (despite being a very open design with deep pads). On the good side, it is very solidly built and comes with some seriously heavy duty cables. The abyss is also fairly even, despite having a bit of a sharp accent on the percussion that's reminiscent of the he6. Also like the he6 it has a very low sensitivity.

The people promoting the abyss are very nice, straightforward and ambitious. But the price is a joke.

 

Quote:dBel84
I had a long chat to Joe of JPS

The spidey design is meant to represent an abyss , not a web smily_headphones1.gif
They do all the manufacture in house , ie they bought all the equipment to cut deposit etc and r&d a few hundred protos to find a driver they liked.
The neodymium magnets are custom made for them, they had very particular polarity requirements
The cost - clearly I am hoping this will change but what they said to me is that it is a package deal - the headphones, a custom stand / storage box , custom premium cables made in house and all the adapters you might need to play the headphones out of any dynamic amp .


My brief show interaction with the Abyss so far has been very positive. They are voiced a little more to the upper end , not unlike the HE 6 but I find them to be more articulate at low dB as well as pushing a little volume. the show models have a very slight emphasis in the upper mids and this is said to be due to the double wood outer protector - they are fairly thin and it would not be impossible to push your fingers through into the driver - hence the caution.

ok enough of fighting iPhone mistyping and autocorrect , happy to post when I get to a laptop

 

Quote:arnaud
I sure hope they can fix a treble glare issue because that's probably one of the only real design challenges with making a reasonably good sounding ortho. In other words, I have my reservations about 5k worth of R&D if you come up with glare like any of the 70's drivers.

There is risk with reinventing the wheel while falling in the typical pitfalls of a particular design type. It's fine by itself (I can only enjoy the fact that more companies are trying to design their own drivers) but not if the result is average end the price unreal.

 

Quote:dBel84

I don't know if any of you have experienced this before but something has been gnawing away at me trying to place the voicing of the abyss. It finally occured to me what it was and probably would never have happened had I not been reflecting on my experience of walking around RMAF and listening to some of these exotic systems that you can only ever imagine from images in magazine reviews.

 

For me, the Abyss is the horn or plasma tweeter of the headphone world. If you have had the opportunity to hear massively impractical horns that people love to drive off suitably ridiculous exotic tube rigs. There is an etched presentation which few other speakers achieve. This is what I could not place when I was listening to the Abyss. I hate trying to describe what I hear but for illustrative purposes .....when a drummer taps the side of his tom with the stick you get that TAK sound , most speakers represent this as thwak or tok but those horns give you a razor sharp edge that goes TAK.
 
These come to mind as I can still recall listening to the 1812 overture on them in 2008, nothing on this scale at this RMAF but a few of the horn systems present had a similar sound and the plasma tweeter is similar

 

 
This is a very distinctive sound and makes brass instruments sound like someone is playing right next to you. I know orthos well and some are "stat" like but not even stats sound like these horns.

 

Quote:Drew511
Just returned from NY Audio show.  $5,500 for these babies.  They sound excellent, but not convinced that they sound $4,000 better than my HD-800s.

 

Quote:Special Snowflake
But yeah, JPS is marketing the Abyss as being a serious tool for audiophiles. So far I don't think they even remotely have the interest of this market. I spoke to someone I know and trust who actually has an Abyss, and he really likes it, so I'm going to have to hear it for myself one way or another.

Sonic impressions are normal for Head-Fi.

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At the risk of stepping on a few toes, i liked the LCD3, as much as the 009, when i head them both, at this year's Montréal Hi-Fi show, so i'm keeping an open mind about the Abyss.

post #235 of 547
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At the risk of stepping on a few toes, i liked the LCD3, as much as the 009, when i head them both, at this year's Montréal Hi-Fi show, so i'm keeping an open mind about the Abyss.


You need to own them both, for a few weeks at the least to make such an assessment stacker. I've heard numerous headphones that I thought were amazing at meets or what have you. Spent time with them and came to different conclusions.

post #236 of 547
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You need to own them both, for a few weeks at the least to make such an assessment stacker. I've heard numerous headphones that I thought were amazing at meets or what have you. Spent time with them and came to different conclusions.

 

Unless you're a trust fund baby (or dating one) that becomes a very pricey proposition in short orderbiggrin.gif

 

Maybe we all need to pool up some money and do a time share thing. Buy a heap o headphones use them for 2 weeks send on to the next member, at the end of the year sell them all off (time sharers get first refusal) to fund new purchases for the next year.

post #237 of 547
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You need to own them both, for a few weeks at the least to make such an assessment stacker. I've heard numerous headphones that I thought were amazing at meets or what have you. Spent time with them and came to different conclusion

 

Ok, got you, a week, not 6 days, a week a the least, i hope that you are not suggesting that i would automatically pick the 009 as my favorite after a week, because, unlike some people, i don"t get all hot and bothered at the sight of the 009. The way i see it, when you get to a certain price point, manufacturing compromises stop being a limiting factor for performance, so, things can go either way.  

post #238 of 547
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At the risk of stepping on a few toes, i liked the LCD3, as much as the 009, when i head them both, at this year's Montréal Hi-Fi show, so i'm keeping an open mind about the Abyss.

Have you also tried purrins TP mod with dampening some of the resonance on the LCD3? Bring's level of enjoyment even more.

post #239 of 547
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Have you also tried purrins TP mod with dampening some of the resonance on the LCD3? Bring's level of enjoyment even more.

 

I don't think that whoever was responsable for the LCD3s that where on display at the Montréal Hi-Fi show, would have appreciated me taking them apart wink.gif


Edited by stacker45 - 5/22/13 at 4:54pm
post #240 of 547
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

Have you also tried purrins TP mod with dampening some of the resonance on the LCD3? Bring's level of enjoyment even more.

Yeah, that was for a % of the initial release from back in late 2011 that had veiling issues (not resonances...they're pretty tight that way). I got mine on the release date and they were never veiled. I've since sent mine back to be updated to the newest revision and let me tell you, they are the best headphones I've heard that aren't the SR-009s.

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