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iPod and Normal FLAC Player Confusion

post #1 of 6
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Hi !

I want to buy a music player(which plays FLAC) ..

Ultimately, what i want to do is ...take line out output from the music player through the mini - usb port ...then i will plug it in an external USB DAC then i will plug my earphones..

What i want to ask is :

i) If I am taking out the signals from music player before they enter music player's own DAC and it's own Amplifier ..then i probably just need a cheap FLAC player because i am not using it's DAC and Amp ..it just decodes the FLAC song (which is stored in the form of 0's & 1's in the memory) and sends signal ...

My question is : Am i right here (correct me if i am wrong)

ii)Why Apple iPod is considered the best option for audiophiles ..in case when we are not using it's own DAC and Amp ...and we use external DAC and external Amp ..

Please do not suggest any DAC ,Amp here... :)

post #2 of 6
Anything using the 'line out' or 'headphone out' is using its own dac(flat music player)..
Anything that uses the optical/coax/mini usb cable is for the external dac.

Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong cause I'm unsure myself.
Edited by Magiv9 - 4/19/13 at 3:41pm
post #3 of 6
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Originally Posted by Magiv9 View Post

Anything using the 'line out' or 'headphone out' is using its own dac(flat music player)..
Anything that uses the optical/coax/mini usb cable is for the external dac.

Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong cause I'm unsure myself.

thank you ...I appreciate it ..
Is there someone else ..who has a take on my questions (doubts :P)

post #4 of 6
I don't know much about portable devices that support a digital output, but you might have more success using Apple Lossless rather than FLAC - it seems to be more widely supported on new devices.
post #5 of 6
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Originally Posted by Magiv9 View Post

Anything using the 'line out' or 'headphone out' is using its own dac(flat music player)..
Anything that uses the optical/coax/mini usb cable is for the external dac.

Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong cause I'm unsure myself.

 

I have a small addition to your statements, but you are correct.

 

Anything using the 'line out' or 'headphone out' is using its own dac(flat music player).

 

Yes, analog output from a digital source (MP3, FLAC, AAC, ALAC, etc.) goes through a DAC. (I don't know what 'flat music player' means.)

 

Anything that uses the optical/coax/mini usb cable is for the external dac

 

Yes, digital output (including any USB type) is digital and an external DAC is then required.

post #6 of 6
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Originally Posted by brat17 View Post

Hi !

I want to buy a music player(which plays FLAC) ..

Ultimately, what i want to do is ...take line out output from the music player through the mini - usb port ...then i will plug it in an external USB DAC then i will plug my earphones..

What i want to ask is :

i) If I am taking out the signals from music player before they enter music player's own DAC and it's own Amplifier ..then i probably just need a cheap FLAC player because i am not using it's DAC and Amp ..it just decodes the FLAC song (which is stored in the form of 0's & 1's in the memory) and sends signal ...

My question is : Am i right here (correct me if i am wrong)

ii)Why Apple iPod is considered the best option for audiophiles ..in case when we are not using it's own DAC and Amp ...and we use external DAC and external Amp ..

Please do not suggest any DAC ,Amp here... :)

 

i) If the output of your player bypasses its built-in DAC and amp, then you need an external DAC and amp. Note that many but not all products marketed as DAC's also contain an amplifier; the Objective DAC (ODAC), for example, does not.

 

No matter where the DAC circuit lives, you're correct that the player will first decode the FLAC (or MP3, AAC, ALAC, etc.) source (1's and 0's: a/k/a digital or binary) to another binary format (LPCM, if I recall correctly.) This happens without you telling it to.

 

ii) I don't know about iPods. Solely from my reading of reviews here, I believe some generations of iPods have better DAC and amp circuits than others. If you're considering an iPod, you shouldn't take my word for it.

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