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Talk of blind tests are prohibited here. The Sound Science forum is the only place where they can be discussed.

 

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post #47 of 108
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Originally Posted by JonnyRocket View Post


This is EXACTLY what I used to think. I didn't understand how a silver, gold ect.. cable could sound better if the insides of the headphones weren't wired with the same material along with its connectors. The headphones will only sound as good as its weakest link. Makes sense right? Only it's not true. We a a HD650 using a $50 cable and a $100 cable, I can't remember the amp we used, hooked up to a laptop running lossless. In a blind test in under 3 secs I could tell which one was the more expensive wire. I would consider buying a $100 cable but only after I had a great pair of headphones paired up with the amp I wanted, all working synergistically together and I knew I was going to have this set up for a long time. Only then would I spend $100 on a cable.

 

Thanks for sharing your experience. Like I said, YMMV, and people have different experiences. In my personal experience testing nearly every metal known to man (since I work in a lab), I've never been able to tell the difference between different cables when I made sure everything else was even (volume, etc). But maybe my ears just aren't that good!

post #48 of 108
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Originally Posted by tintin220 View Post

Thanks for sharing your experience. Like I said, YMMV, and people have different experiences. In my personal experience testing nearly every metal known to man (since I work in a lab), I've never been able to tell the difference between different cables when I made sure everything else was even (volume, etc). But maybe my ears just aren't that good!

That's really weird, could you detect a difference at all? We're you using a decent setup?
post #49 of 108
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That's really weird, could you detect a difference at all? We're you using a decent setup?

 

As high-end as can be, I did a lot of testing with scientific-grade equipment, think research laboratory type stuff.

 

The one possible difference I could tell (I think?) is that metals of higher conductivity might've sounded a slight bit louder, but not any better of quality, though louder is often mistaken to mean better sounding.

post #50 of 108
U can't hear the extra shimmer on the hi hat ? Just higher volume?
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My 200bucks cable just arrived this morning....
That shimmer better be hanging in the air for another 5 microseconds:p
post #51 of 108
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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post
 

I think it's your blind hero worship of Randi that's clouding YOUR judgement here.

 

 

No it's more like my critical thinking and evidence-based understanding, I want to see these crooks get exposed.

 

Randi knows there is absolutely no difference what-so-ever, he simply wanted to stick to the original challenge, Fremer backed out.

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No it's more like my critical thinking and evidence-based understanding, I want to see these crooks get exposed.

 

Randi knows there is absolutely no difference what-so-ever, he simply wanted to stick to the original challenge, Fremer backed out.

 

The facts speak otherwise. At no time did Fremer ever back out. And throughout this discussion, it's notable that you have provided absolutely nothing to support your assertions. So don't try and feed me this "critical thinking and evidence-based understanding" nonsense.

 

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The facts speak otherwise. At no time did Fremer ever back out. And throughout this discussion, it's notable that you have provided absolutely nothing to support your assertions. So don't try and feed me this "critical thinking and evidence-based understanding" nonsense.

 

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Aren't we all on the same page?

 

Also if you're claiming there are some magical elements hidden within different cables the burden of proof is on you, not me. Until then I will remain a skeptic.

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It's all laid out in this thread that I started over on the JREF forum at the time all this happened:

 

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=96913

 

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Okay, so maybe I'm missing something here, but as far as I can tell, there's still not a definitive account of what actually happened, just your own account. The link you posted just takes me to another thread where you make similar claims, but all the links are dead. I'm not doubting the veracity of what you're saying, and I'm as impartial as can be since I hadn't even heard about this challenge until earlier in this thread, but all that exists right now is a case of "he said, she said".

 

From a third party perspective, I don't see any "facts" at all. It's your account of what happened vs James Randi's, so right now, I am not unable to choose sides to believe either.

 

Can someone else with knowledge of this incident or another published account chime in?


Edited by tintin220 - 4/25/13 at 12:26pm
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http://www.stereophile.com/thinkpieces/021708swiftboat/

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Having read both sides it's clear that Pear backed out, in other words the creators of a $7,200 cable can't distinguish it from a $20 Monster cable.

 

As far as Fremer goes there are some obvious discrepancies.

 

EDIT: Would I be right in thinking the cable Fremer wanted to use costs $36,000?

 

http://www.needledoctor.com/Tara-Labs-The-Omega-Gold-Speaker-Cable


Edited by Graphicism - 4/25/13 at 1:32pm
post #57 of 108
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Aren't we all on the same page?

 

 

Please quote the relevant portion from that page that supports your claim that Fremer backed out, as you have claimed he did several times so far.

 

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Also if you're claiming there are some magical elements hidden within different cables the burden of proof is on you, not me.

 

I have absolutely no idea what you're going on about here.

 

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post #58 of 108
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Having read both sides it's clear that Pear backed out, in other words the creators of a $7,200 cable can't distinguish it from a $20 Monster cable.

 

As far as Fremer goes there are some obvious discrepancies.

 

EDIT: Would I be right in thinking the cable Fremer wanted to use costs $36,000?

 

http://www.needledoctor.com/Tara-Labs-The-Omega-Gold-Speaker-Cable

 

Yes, Pear backed out. But it wasn't the Pear Challenge as Randi disingenuously refers to it in the piece you referenced above. It was the Fremer Challenge. Pear simply offered to loan some of their cables to Fremer to use for his challenge. And key to understanding all of this, the Pear cables were not the only cables on the table. RANDI HIMSELF had also included in the challenge, an expensive pair of Transparent cables. So originally there were TWO cables on the table. The Pear and the Transparents. It was at that point Fremer offered as an option, the use if his own TARA Labs cables. Randi said he would prefer that for the sake of simplicity but would first have to consult with his advisers. So now there are THREE cables on the table. It was at that point that Pear withdrew their offer and IMMEDIATELY Randi posted his screed which pulled the rug out from under Fremer, even though as I have said a number of times already, there were still TWO cables on the table as at the time of Randi's declaring the challenge closed and claiming that somehow Fremer had backed out.

 

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post #59 of 108
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Originally Posted by tintin220 View Post

 

Okay, so maybe I'm missing something here, but as far as I can tell, there's still not a definitive account of what actually happened, just your own account. The link you posted just takes me to another thread where you make similar claims, but all the links are dead. I'm not doubting the veracity of what you're saying, and I'm as impartial as can be since I hadn't even heard about this challenge until earlier in this thread, but all that exists right now is a case of "he said, she said".

 

From a third party perspective, I don't see any "facts" at all. It's your account of what happened vs James Randi's, so right now, I am not unable to choose sides to believe either.

 

Can someone else with knowledge of this incident or another published account chime in?

 

Yes, it's unfortunate that JREF has changed their website such that those links no longer work and make it impossible for those reading the thread to see the evidence for themselves. Some time back I was able to locate the new URL's for those links, but I don't remember what I did with them. If I can find some time, I'll go digging again and post the current URL's for those links.

 

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post #60 of 108

I had a look at the cables in question.

 

 

Pear Anjou ($7,200)
 

 

 
Transparent Opus ($40,000)
 

 

 
TARA Labs Omegas ($36,000)
 

 

From my 'novice' point of view the only thing here that looks like a cable is the company that backed out; Pear Anjou. The others look like more than just cables, Randi aside I want to see a blind test between normal cables.
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