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post #61 of 121

535 is configured as 1.5 way with a dual woofer and single fullrange drivers. Think HF5 with added bass.

post #62 of 121
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

535 is configured as 1.5 way with a dual woofer and single fullrange drivers. Think HF5 with added bass.

Doesn't it have a tweeter, not a full range driver?

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post #64 of 121

You're right but it's not a tweeter. I knew it was a full range driver and heard they let it run full range but that was apparently too simple. It has a 6 per octave slope starting at 700hz (6db down at about 350hz)  so still has significant overlap with the bass drivers. The woofers are acoustically limited and the fullrange has one capacitor in front of it so it's not a true electrical 2 way either but functions as one acoustally.

 

"That's because the two low-frequency drivers are vented and share a common port, which enhances the dynamics and texture of the bottom end," said Matt Engstrom. "There's an acoustic reaction to that space—you do get more bass, but the real reason we double the drivers and port them into that chamber is what it does for the tonal balance of the low end." The two LF drivers share a common "spout," or acoustic channel, which has a passive damper that enhances the drivers' natural rolloff to the HF driver.

The HF/full-range driver has a miniaturized high-pass filter in the 550–700Hz range that is actually built into the flex cable that surrounds it. The result of the damped bass rolloff and superior high-pass filter, according to Engstrom, is "less cross-pollination—and superior handoff—from low to high, which I feel is one of the major steps forward from the E5 'phones."


Edited by goodvibes - 4/25/13 at 9:03am
post #65 of 121
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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

Exactly. It cannot be stated as fact. 

 

Bass preference is all over the place. Nothing wrong with either dynamic or BA presentation. It is, all opinion. :)


yea, in the end it's all opinion.  I prefer my xba 40 bass to my beats studio because it sounds alot cleaner and more detailed, goes just as deep.  I know the xba 40's aren't the best iems around, but the beats are known for their bass.  The only difference is that the xba 40 subs distort at really high bass volumes, but it could be unique only to the 40's.  I won't know for sure until my jh16's come in.

 

Also I've owned tons of 12"  to 18" subs in the past, and rattled neighborhoods (yea I'm that annoying guy) for years.  Long story short, I seriously can't tell the difference between dynamic and ba subs/bass.

post #66 of 121

@Squats

So did you end up getting the JH16? Just curious.

post #67 of 121

OK take it from someone who owns both SE535 and JH16 FP... 

 

It all depends on the music you are listening to.

 

I never enjoyed the JH16's for genres like Jazz, Opera, Blues etc...

 

- The bass is way over powered ( I'm a bass-head and I listen more than 50% of the time to DnB,Dubstep,Drumstep ec.. ) but the bass can be bloated if your source is a phone or direct computer output.

 

- I find Shure isolation superior, well superior compared to the 16's. I got a perfect fit with my customs but the SE535 with the foam sleeves turns you literally deaf the minute you push them in.

 

- SE535 is more comfortable to wear ( default foam sleeves ) I can leave it for hours without feeling it. With the 16's, i need to pull it out  every 45-60 minutes because my ear canals start sweating for some reason and it gets wet. You can feel it popping inside your ear.

 

SQ ( Purely subjective ) but as I said, the bass is exaggerated on the JH16's and isn't for all kind of music. They depends pretty much on the source output impedance. If you're impedance is high, they will sound close to neutral, if it's low, sound will be boomy, really boomy.

 

I find the JH16's lacking midrange or upper mids. Maybe I'm used to the SE535 which I though to be mid-centric in the past but I find the gap to be huge between both IEMs. Totally different sound signature. SE535 sound really good with Jazz.

 

SE535 don't need amplification to get their best, they fairly sound the same from random unamped sources, they have twice the impedance of the 16's which I find it's a plus.

 

SE535 don't lack bass but aren't for all kind of music either like hip hop, dubstep, liquid bass whatsoever.

 

 

If I were to pick an IEM for jogging, walking or any other outdoor activity, I'd take the SE535 anyday over the 16's. However, if you plan to amp the 16's it's a totally different story. 


Edited by IA64 - 5/2/13 at 7:46pm
post #68 of 121

The JH13 is more balanced.

post #69 of 121
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Originally Posted by The Monkey View Post

The JH13 is more balanced.

 

I'm afraid it's too late for me.

post #70 of 121

Told ya...

Customs are not all that superior. Though the new freqphase JH16 from what I heard is not as bass heavy as described by that guy. Vocal imaging is thin and lacking which is very true, same with the JH13. In fact the whole balance of JH audio earphone is questionable despite the high praise you often see on this forum. I personally think Westone's take on westone 4 is almost perfect in terms of balance.

post #71 of 121

I would say the 6-8 driver customs are certainly much more holygraphic to an almost unreal extent.  To me, THIS is the biggest difference when you go to a JH13 or 16.  Beyond that and getting back to basics of bass, mid and treble, a high end triple or quad driver can match pretty darn close.  Much closer a difference than $400 versus $1,200.  I'd say more like $400 versus $600.

post #72 of 121
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Told ya...

Customs are not all that superior. Though the new freqphase JH16 from what I heard is not as bass heavy as described by that guy. Vocal imaging is thin and lacking which is very true, same with the JH13. In fact the whole balance of JH audio earphone is questionable despite the high praise you often see on this forum. I personally think Westone's take on westone 4 is almost perfect in terms of balance.

 

 

I don't know how to describe it better. I play piano since 20+years. When I listen to Jazz on my JH16's, the details are all there but the piano sounds really different than reality, it's deep as if you're sitting in the last row. I need to EQ with +4 @ 4KHz and 8KHz. With my Shure I need a +2 dB @ 30Hz . Listen to " Michel Camilo - A Dream " you will understand what I mean.

post #73 of 121
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Originally Posted by czqdtc View Post

Told ya...

Customs are not all that superior. Though the new freqphase JH16 from what I heard is not as bass heavy as described by that guy. Vocal imaging is thin and lacking which is very true, same with the JH13. In fact the whole balance of JH audio earphone is questionable despite the high praise you often see on this forum. I personally think Westone's take on westone 4 is almost perfect in terms of balance.

I just compared a Westone 4 to my jh13 frephase and it wasn't that close. The 4 is a VG phone but is not nearly as balanced or solid. Typically warmed up upper bass with a dip in the mids before a bit of extra sparkle on top. Shows in any graph you look at. Just done more tastefully or successfully than most. Very nice phone but apples and oranges. If I wanted that sig, I'd prefer a JH5.

post #74 of 121
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Originally Posted by IA64 View Post

 

 

I don't know how to describe it better. I play piano since 20+years. When I listen to Jazz on my JH16's, the details are all there but the piano sounds really different than reality, it's deep as if you're sitting in the last row. I need to EQ with +4 @ 4KHz and 8KHz. With my Shure I need a +2 dB @ 30Hz . Listen to " Michel Camilo - A Dream " you will understand what I mean.

He likes a bassy warmed up sig. Without getting too tweaky with them, I think your EQ settings sound about right.

post #75 of 121
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

I just compared a Westone 4 to my jh13 frephase and it wasn't that close. The 4 is a VG phone but is not nearly as balanced or solid. Typically warmed up upper bass with a dip in the mids before a bit of extra sparkle on top. Shows in any graph you look at. Just done more tastefully or successfully than most. Very nice phone but apples and oranges. If I wanted that sig, I'd prefer a JH5.

I'm sure....it would be like pealing 4-5 layers of veil off when going to the ultra-transparent JH13.  Even my JH5 is quite a bit brighter than W4.

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