So what you are saying is your opinion is somehow not "narrow-minded" or "misleading"? You are basically saying, what I hear is not right, and what you hear is? Hmm... guess you must be new here because it seems like you have no idea how things work around here. Sound is subjective, what you hear is definitely not what I hear, and could be or may not be what other do. Just because something measures a certain way doesn't mean they will sound that way. There are many factors involved and one will not know for sure unless they audition said product. Your arrogant tone, speaks of your character and of coarse... you think you know better than everyone else. My impressions where simply, my impressions doesn't make them true or untrue. If you weren't so snobbish and would stop and read the entire thread, you would know that my answer was not directed at the OP, but at a question asked by another member. Asking specifically for what I think about the HF5 in comparison with the GR07.
My my... the future of this hobby is filled with promise if people like you are the ones helping people with recommendations.
Except very little of what I mentioned was opinion at all, and was instead in reference to measurements and sound science. When I stated opinion, I explicitly said so. For example:
"I find Etymotics to be a great listening experience"
That is my personal experience with Etymotics. It is of value only to me. The fact that Etys are not lacking bass, however, is easily seen in measurements and their apparent lack of bass can be easily explained by sound science, or simply by having a skewed perspective of what is the "right" amount of bass.
I know exactly how things work around here, actually. I also know that the general subjectivist attitude here at Head-Fi is what turns those with formal education and proper knowledge of audio engineering and sound science away from here. I am not among that crowd, but my (comparatively limited) knowledge comes from my understanding of what I've learned from those people, as well as my own experience.
Sound is not subjective, interpretation is subjective. There are biological factors which play a part in how we hear things, but biology only allows so much room for error until we're no longer well-adapted. So yes, there are subtle differences in how we hear things, but again, they are subtle.
You can never know how a product will sound until you hear it, that's correct. However, I've yet to hear a headphone that doesn't very closely mirror how it measures. The key is knowing how to read the measurements, and how it translates into sound.
I'm confident in what I know, because I'm confident in the source of what I know. That doesn't make me arrogant. I'm not surprised, though; attacking me is clearly the natural and rational response when I simply pointed out that the evidence directly contradicts your perception, which simply means that your perception is limited. It's not even an insult. If you've only heard, or if you favor bass-heavy headphones, of course you would think that Etys have no bass. But if you'd had more experience with headphones that are actually lacking bass (K501, for example), you'd realize that the Etys, while a bit light, still have fair amount of bass. It's simply relating to experience, not you as a person. Don't take it so personally, it's not worth getting up-in-arms over.
The problem with your perceptions are that they are your perceptions. They are only meaningful to you, so using them as a basis for recommendation is, frankly, irresponsible and misleading. Use facts and evidence, and then how your personal experience compares to the evidence. For example:
"The Etys are pretty neutral in bass, but I prefer headphones with more bass so I didn't care for their bass presentation."
Are you telling me that's not more useful than "The Etys had little to no bass"?
And yes, God forbid the headphone community degenerates into a bunch of people who use evidence as the basis for their recommendation, and who know how to communicate clearly. Maybe we can also weed out all of the poorly-performing headphones that have no business in the high-fidelity market while we're at it.
Edited by Alondite - 4/15/13 at 12:54am