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Originally Posted by muxamed View Post


Yeah. For 50 bucks more it is probably worth it, but not really relevant for many people on this forum.

Did you read above? That was the specific question and I answered it. Just because it's not relevant to you doesn't mean the feedback is invalid. You realize there are other people here with questions, yeah?

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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post

Did you read above? That was the specific question and I answered it. Just because it's not relevant to you doesn't mean the feedback is invalid.

Sorry. No hard feelings.
post #678 of 4046
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Sorry. No hard feelings.

I'm edgy today going into the last week of the quarter, but that shouldn't be an excuse. Sorry for the attitude. beerchug.gif

post #679 of 4046
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I'm edgy today going into the last week of the quarter, but that shouldn't be an excuse. Sorry for the attitude. beerchug.gif

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post #680 of 4046
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Originally Posted by Overwerk View Post

haha if you listen to EDM,  beyerdynamic is the least of choices. overkill if it's the flagship series. 

 

recommend: sol republic, v moda.

 

I listen to a lot of EDM and while the M-100 is fun I really like the T5p, the DT1350 or the K702AE very much for that same purpose.

Sol Republic? You must be joking.

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Edited by Cristello - 9/5/13 at 9:59am
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

All the Beyerdynamic headphones I've had that were in the DT-770,880 and 990 series all sounded randomly different than as advertised. For example the DT-770 600 ohm was the flattest headphone I've ever heard. It was supposed to be V-shaped. Someone got one that was a bass monster. The DT-990's I've had always had recessed mids. I've tried all but the 600 ohm version.

My favorite is the DT-880 32ohm (tried all 3), but it's mids were a bit thin and the headphone was way too unforgiving to me. I must also be the only one who is not compatible with it's pads. If so i'd have kept it. They just were not deep enough.

The DT-880 I had didn't seem that V-shaped in sound signature. I actually found it to have less treble than my K702 I had at the time. The K702 actually sounded a tad warmer too. K702 isn't warm, but compared to the DT-880 it was. DT-880 does seem fairly flat. I'd actually say it's flatter than the HD-600 to my ears. I mean the HD-600 has mid-bass hump and the DT-880 has slightly recessed mids and a little extra treble.

I had the DT-990 Pro once and hated it. Possibly the worst headphone i've ever heard (I'm a mids addict). The DT-770 Pro 80 I liked a bit more but it seemed to have less mid-bass and more low-bass. Funny to think that I once had a DT-990 250ohm version a long time ago and I always loved it. Didn't seem that bass heavy. Maybe I was clueless at the time and had it underpowered!

The Beyers have changed a bit, at least once in the last few years. A couple of years ago I owned the dt770pro250 and loved them for their subbass. I've just bought them again a few weeks ago and the thing is they've changed the cable and the pads on the latest "edition" of the pro250's. The cable is more shiny and plastic-like now as opposed to the earlier matte rubber-like surface, it seems a little longer and heavier and it curls up easier. The pads are clearly harder and no where near as comfy as the old ones, which were surprisingly soft and smooth to the side of the head. The sound is more neutral than I remember, it has more upper mids, probably due to the harder earpads. So I am not surprised if some of the reports on the beyers seem to contradict each other. If you're into measurements, check out the golden ear measurement of dt770pro250, it's a lot flatter than you would expect from reviews. I think I have gotten hold on one of these later and apparently flatter sounding versions.
If this scares anyone of from purchasing a new dt770, take comfort in simply adding an extra basport the side of the cups, that'll pull the mids back again and the bass forward right in your face! ...if one is so inclined ;-)
Edited by Dafo - 6/21/13 at 2:05pm
post #683 of 4046
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Originally Posted by plakat View Post

 

I listen to a lot of EDM and while the M-100 is fun I really like the T5p, the DT1350 or the K702AE very much for that same purpose.

Sol Republic? You must be joking.

no i am not. have you even listened with them. m100 is bad for edm. lp1 is their best headphone because they are made by dj for mainly dj at first and are supposed to be best for dj usage. therefore they sound and after I listened to them do actually sound best with edm music.

 

sol republic is affiliated with Overwerk. go figure.

 

before they did, I,like you, heard about sol republic since olympic worn by phelps, and then saw people on the street with it every other day, and endless meh.,

 

honenstly i have not tried them, but I doubt Overwerk's ear.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ez60drluVQ


Edited by Overwerk - 6/21/13 at 3:14pm
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Umm, the M-100 is outstanding with EDM.

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^^^ I could not agree more!
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If you think the LP is V-Moda's best headphone for anything, you're going against the vast majority. The LP were designed before Val got a Head-Fi account, and are a muddy mess in the sound department.

I do agree, though, that SOL Republic isn't that bad, though not for the name-dropping reasons that you state.
post #687 of 4046
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The US List Price for the K612 Pro is USD 279.00 and for the K712 Pro USD 699.00

 

$699 for what's most likely a Q701 with new pads. That's hilarious. AKG/Harman must think we're all suckers.

Is AKG getting ideas from Monster, Sennheiser, Shure and Bose now? Every new headphone is overpriced now it seems like. That includes every new $300 portable headphone that's all fancied up with such AMAZING build quality.

I think they must mark up a headphone almost double because it looks cool, has expensive marketing costs and has good build quality. Beyerdynamic headphones in comparison look like a much better deal.

 

Of course the suggested retail of the Q701 is $479 and almost nobody would pay that.

 

If the K712 Pro isn't any different than the Annie and way overpriced you should just get a Q701 with Annie's pads.

 

AKG is going to be a joke to me if they actually sell this nonsense for more than $500. Who knows..maybe it's much better and different, but highly unlikely.

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The looks have a price. Maybe some famous artist cooked up the color scheme LOL

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Originally Posted by donunus View Post

The looks have a price. Maybe some famous artist cooked up the color scheme LOL

 

I think some guy at AKG in Austria was eating Pumpkin Pie and came up with the color in like 2 seconds.

Maybe they should call it the K712 Pumpkin Edition.

 

OK it's not that bad really. I actually wanted the shiny white Q701 but it cost a lot more biggrin.gif

 

At least the K712 is better looking than the ugly HD-598.

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Originally Posted by Cristello View Post

Since the K712 is marketed towards professional users (who in my direct experience are rarely susceptible to consumer marketing), I would expect AKG to take a much more reserved tone. Indeed, many studios may be reluctant to go out and pick up a product that is all new if they are not sure it will enhance their work-flow. Many pros might find drastic changes in tone and FR difficult to translate into mixes right away (and as always... time is money). Marketing slight improvements in a realistic fashion and allowing word of mouth to propagate in the industry is the way I've seen marketing "attack" for quite a while. AKG seems to be doing exactly that.

 

Also, AKG never said Q701 sounded any different than K701, yet Head-fiers said otherwise. Some thought the "Annie" might not really sound different, yet the small change of pad material made it so. All along the capsule marking changed with it.

 

All I really meant to say is let's wait and see, so I'm sorry if it sounded like I was trying to state something extraordinary took place.

 

The K701 coming out preferred for consumer, but many professional use them. The K702 are the pro-version of the K701 with close tolerance pre-selected transducers and detachable cable (as professional need).

K702-65 and K712 are slightly improved versions with even tighter tolerances (K712) pre-selected transducers and each sample is individual tested. The more work by hand have its price!

 

A few years ago I had the opportunity to visit the AKG factory in Vienna, there is still much work there by hand. This can not compare with cheap products from the Far east (often with precarious jobs).

 

In recording studios, with equipment form several 1000 till 100.000 Dollars/Euros, the additional price from few hundred Dollars/Euros are trivial, when the quality right. But many private consumers have other priorities. k701smile.gif

 

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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

 

$699 for what's most likely a Q701 with new pads. That's hilarious. AKG/Harman must think we're all suckers.

 

 

The K712 is made for the professional market and use close tolerance drivers (pre-selected transducers, AKG tells them capsules or transducers) - which explains the higher price (more on manual labor - hand-crafted in Vienna, Austria). The K712 have a slightly improved bass too.

 

Compare headphones with close tolerance pre-selected transducers with the standard consumer line (e.g. K701) could detect differences or could not. Depending on what tolerances the sample of the consumer headphone have.

 

I hope you understand what I mean.

 

PS: My native language is not english, excuse mistakes.


Edited by FritzS - 6/21/13 at 9:24pm
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