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post #526 of 3352
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Originally Posted by K_19 View Post

 

I'm quite certain that K701's always had angled pads from the onset, way before the Q701's did.

 

My first K702 pads were flat no angle at all the second one had angled pads

post #527 of 3352

It seems the K712s are simply Annies with a different paint scheme.

 

Don't understand the outrage, as this is exactly what Sennheiser did with the HD580 Jubilee -> HD600. 

 

People are yelling "WTF is this, another rebranded K701? We want a K2000!", but how old was the HD580 when the HD800 appeared?


Edited by Wildstar - 6/15/13 at 5:09pm
post #528 of 3352
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Originally Posted by HaVoC-28 View Post

 

My first K702 pads were flat no angle at all the second one had angled pads

 

Can't speak for the K702's as I never owned it but K701's that I had circa 09/10 definitely did, and as far as I've read over the years all 701's had angled pads I believe.

post #529 of 3352
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Originally Posted by HaVoC-28 View Post

K702 65th ANV edition => introduced a new color scheme , headband AND new kind of pads => memory foam (not the same material) and not angled , pads have an influence on sound . It's expected than K712 Pro use the same memory foam pads as K702 ANV pads .

 

K712 use a little bit other selected drivers (AKG tell them capsule)

 

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Originally Posted by Overwerk View Post

someone on reddit tells me q701 and k702 has no difference in driver, and he is suggesting they basically sound the same and q701 is cheaper and k702 is pointless

 

How do you cope with people like this..

 

 

From the service manuals - spare part #

K701           Capsule DKK45 2400Z0007

Q701           Capsule DKK45 2400Z00080 (older - 2400Z00070 but selected)

K702           Capsule DKK45 2400Z00080 (older - 2400Z00070 but selected)
K702 Anniversary  Capsule  DKK45  2400Z00080
post #530 of 3352
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Originally Posted by Wildstar View Post

It seems the K712s are simply Annies with a different paint scheme.

 

Don't understand the outrage, as this is exactly what Sennheiser did with the HD580 Jubilee -> HD600. 

 

People are yelling "WTF is this, another rebranded K701? We want a K2000!", but how old was the HD580 when the HD800 appeared?

Actually k712 are just a little improved version of K500 from 1990. It's about 25 years. Yes, we definetly want something really new.

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Originally Posted by Overwerk View Post

wait, i thought hifiguy 528 is american, how did he get one?|

Reviewers get things early :p

post #532 of 3352
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Originally Posted by qazxsw80 View Post

Actually k712 are just a little improved version of K500 from 1990. It's about 25 years. Yes, we definetly want something really new.

How can you be sure about that?

post #533 of 3352
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Originally Posted by qazxsw80 View Post

Actually k712 are just a little improved version of K500 from 1990. It's about 25 years. Yes, we definetly want something really new.

 

 

DT-880 are from 80's and beyer just improved it a bit over time , they are still great in their price range tongue.gif

 

If you want a  "true flagship" from AKG this is another story redface.gif

post #534 of 3352
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Originally Posted by muxamed View Post

How can you be sure about that?

All people here agreed that AKG K712=K702Anv=K702+ new pads. I have K500 and K702 and with the same pads they sound almost indentical. Actually with K500 I get probably 90% of K702's sound.  Also you can look inside and see that the same baffles, cups and only a little different drivers but also the same size (only about 40mm)
25 years ago Akg created AKG k1000 and K500/400 and after that they started: K500=K501(color)≈K701(design+ pads)=K702(color)=Q701(color)=K702Anv(color+ pads)=K712(color).
AKG hasn't created anything for a quarter of a century! Only crappy chinese models which breaks down when you put them on your head.
post #535 of 3352

Well, we are still waiting for final proofs. But about this:

 

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Originally Posted by qazxsw80 View Post

AKG hasn't created anything for a quarter of a century! Only crappy chinese models which breaks down when you put them on your head.

 

Keyword = Harman :).

If you are talking about their "top" headphones, then yes, I can agree with you. But don't forget about K550, which I see as a one step forward here. Maybe K550 are still with the same or very similar drivers inside, but it's a new and successful concept as a whole, and IMO totally superior vs for example their a little bit lower K272 HD / K271 MKII.

 

BTW: 

 

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K702(color)=Q701(color)

 

I would put here ≈ instead of =. There are more differences there than a simple color change and Quincy Jones badge.


Edited by EvilKillaruna - 6/16/13 at 6:17am
post #536 of 3352
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Originally Posted by qazxsw80 View Post

All people here agreed that AKG K712=K702Anv=K702+ new pads. I have K500 and K702 and with the same pads they sound almost indentical. Actually with K500 I get probably 90% of K702's sound.  Also you can look inside and see that the same baffles, cups and only a little different drivers but also the same size (only about 40mm)
25 years ago Akg created AKG k1000 and K500/400 and after that they started: K500=K501(color)≈K701(design+ pads)=K702(color)=Q701(color)=K702Anv(color+ pads)=K712(color).
AKG hasn't created anything for a quarter of a century! Only crappy chinese models which breaks down when you put them on your head.

OK. What I meant was: how can you be sure that k712 is improved version of K500? There is no guarantee for that. To my ears k501 sounds "better" than k701 and k702 Anniversaries so I actually expect k501 to sound better than k712 Pro as well. 

post #537 of 3352
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Originally Posted by qazxsw80 View Post

Actually k712 are just a little improved version of K500 from 1990. It's about 25 years. Yes, we definetly want something really new.

 

I have a K501 too - the difference to K701, Q701, K712 is very easy hearable!

 

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Originally Posted by muxamed View Post

OK. What I meant was: how can you be sure that k712 is improved version of K500? There is no guarantee for that. To my ears k501 sounds "better" than k701 and k702 Anniversaries so I actually expect k501 to sound better than k712 Pro as well. 

 

 

I would not say better! The K501 sounds different - for some music and "personal atmospheric feeling" it could be more pleasant.

 

The sound feeling of a K501 seems more to a K1000 - I had a K1000 for a while and could compare them.


Edited by FritzS - 6/16/13 at 7:49am
post #538 of 3352
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Originally Posted by muxamed View Post

OK. What I meant was: how can you be sure that k712 is improved version of K500? There is no guarantee for that. To my ears k501 sounds "better" than k701 and k702 Anniversaries so I actually expect k501 to sound better than k712 Pro as well. 

Bass is definately improved. It's deeper and smoother. I think all those years AKG has tried to improve bass because people have complained about it all the time. Because of that they changed baffles a little (closed some holes) and replaced those more open pads. As result old K500/501 sound airier and have bigger soundstage. 

post #539 of 3352
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Originally Posted by qazxsw80 View Post

Actually k712 are just a little improved version of K500 from 1990. It's about 25 years. Yes, we definetly want something really new.

What I don't understand is why everyone is angry that the K701 is still being manufactured. When you have a product as good as it is, there's nothing wrong with continuing to build it. Just look at the MDR-V6. It's practically a legend and still my favorite sub-$100 closed can. We can't really say AKG isn't putting out new product, either. There is plenty new releases under the K712. I think what we want is a new series of cans that are better than the K7xx line. That I can understand.

post #540 of 3352
Agreed. The K70x is an incredible pair of cans. They started off a bit rough and a bit too dry, but by the time the Q701 came out, they fixed the issues, and with the Annie/K712 Pro, they satisfied the people that demanded a fuller bass response and smoother sound. And the price range is feasible for each (once the Annie and K712 settle down to around $300, it will be a STEAL).

I do believe they should at least attempt to make a new flagship to compete with the 1840, HD800, and T1 in terms of the 'dry-ish' sounding flagships...
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 6/16/13 at 12:16pm
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