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I wonder if anyone has had the chance to compare these lovely K712s to the Philips X2s??

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I did and not sure for what you are looking for, X2 is very fun and k712 is 'perfect hd650' if that make sense... what music and so on?

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I did and not sure for what you are looking for, X2 is very fun and k712 is 'perfect hd650' if that make sense... what music and so on?

Classic Rock, Blues, Jazz, Classical. 

 

I already have HD598s and HD650s, as well as the X2s.

 

Have Schiit Asgard 2, Valhalla 2, Vali, Lyr and Magni to drive them.

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I did and not sure for what you are looking for, X2 is very fun and k712 is 'perfect hd650' if that make sense... what music and so on?

Honestly the K712 doesn't really sound like the HD 650, two very different sounding headphones imho. The K712's brighter sound signature, more dynamic sound, and huge soundstage make it sound quite different than the HD 650. The HD 650 is more subdued and easy-going. 


Edited by kman1211 - 2/17/15 at 1:18pm
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Honestly the K712 doesn't really sound like the HD 650, two very different sounding headphones imho. The K712's brighter sound signature, more dynamic sound, and huge soundstage make it sound quite different than the HD 650. The HD 650 is more subdued and easy-going. 

Sounds like they might be just different enough to find a niche in my small collection.:L3000:

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Sounds like they might be just different enough to find a niche in my small collection.:L3000:

To me they are, for me it's the HD 600 that had no place between the HD 650 and K712. It's a different beast, my only complaint about the K712 is how picky the headphone is, but considering how many amps you have, you should find a good match. The K712 is almost like a more dynamic, vivid, and spacious HD 600 with tighter bass(sometimes seems like less but then it can hit oddly hard at times) and better extension both ends, not quite the same, but they are similar in terms of naturalness and the timbre is quite similar. 

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To me they are, for me it's the HD 600 that had no place between the HD 650 and K712. It's a different beast, my only complaint about the K712 is how picky the headphone is, but considering how many amps you have, you should find a good match. The K712 is almost like a more dynamic, vivid, and spacious HD 600 with tighter bass(sometimes seems like less but then it can hit oddly hard at times) and better extension both ends, not quite the same, but they are similar in terms of naturalness and the timbre is quite similar. 

I wanted to have the right tool for the job when it came to amps. LOL. Still looking for something with balanced outputs.

 

BTW does the K712 accept balanced cables?

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I wanted to have the right tool for the job when it came to amps. LOL. Still looking for something with balanced outputs.

 

BTW does the K712 accept balanced cables?

True, I use mine on the Lyr 2, took some tube rolling to get them right though, though I didn't like the stock tubes to begin with so I replaced the tubes quite quickly. Sadly they have to be modded to be balanced. 

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True, I use mine on the Lyr 2, took some tube rolling to get them right though, though I didn't like the stock tubes to begin with so I replaced the tubes quite quickly. Sadly they have to be modded to be balanced. 

Thanks for your help. I think I'll try a pair in a few weeks and see how I like then. If they are as comfortable as the X2s I'll be very happy.

 

Mind telling me the 'secret sauce' you found for your Lyr 2??

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Thanks for your help. I think I'll try a pair in a few weeks and see how I like then. If they are as comfortable as the X2s I'll be very happy.

 

Mind telling me the 'secret sauce' you found for your Lyr 2??

No problem. That's a good thing, sometimes you just have to try them out.

 

I really liked them with both pairs my Amperex Fat Bottles, which turned out to simply be relabeled Voskhod Rockets. Sadly I can't say what year they are exactly. One is a silver shield and one is a grey shield, I think I like them more with the grey shields(haven't listened to the silver shields in a week as I need to burn-in the grey shields). It's been a while since I last heard the Lyr, so not sure how much it differs from the Lyr 2 sonically. I'm not sure if either is the ideal tube for them, but the K712 sound the best on these tubes like all my other headphones.

 

Next tubes on my list whenever I get new tubes(may be a while) is some Amperex Orange Globes or Orange Labels with dimpled getters. 


Edited by kman1211 - 2/17/15 at 1:59pm
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To me they are, for me it's the HD 600 that had no place between the HD 650 and K712. It's a different beast, my only complaint about the K712 is how picky the headphone is, but considering how many amps you have, you should find a good match. The K712 is almost like a more dynamic, vivid, and spacious HD 600 with tighter bass(sometimes seems like less but then it can hit oddly hard at times) and better extension both ends, not quite the same, but they are similar in terms of naturalness and the timbre is quite similar. 

 

Funny, I came to exactly the same conclusion using K612 Pro vs HD600, with matching electronics they sound very similar. K612 Pro has a larger soundstage, cleaner deep bass and a faster sound with better attack on "clicky" sounds. But the timbre is quite close. K612 Pro requires much better matching though, if there's any flaw it will be heard, HD600 is more forgiving and generally a more allround can for a "normal" listener imho. K612 Pro is probably better for studio work like mastering etc.

 

K612 Pro should sound very close to the K712 Pro, with slightly less "slam" in the bass and no extra treble "brilliance"(in essence more neutral). But K612 do need better amping than K712 does.

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Funny, I came to exactly the same conclusion using K612 Pro vs HD600, with matching electronics they sound very similar. K612 Pro has a larger soundstage, cleaner deep bass and a faster sound with better attack on "clicky" sounds. But the timbre is quite close. K612 Pro requires much better matching though, if there's any flaw it will be heard, HD600 is more forgiving and generally a more allround can for a "normal" listener imho. K612 Pro is probably better for studio work like mastering etc.

K612 Pro should sound very close to the K712 Pro, with slightly less "slam" in the bass and no extra treble "brilliance"(in essence more neutral). But K612 do need better amping than K712 does.

I've had both the K712 and K612 at the same time. The K712 is more vivid, warmer, had more precise imaging, and a slightly larger soundstage than the K612. I prefered the FR response of the K612 but it doesn't have the same level of refinement to my ears thus I favored the K712 overall sonically despite being a bit too vivid for my ears at times. The K612 is more neutral and extends deeper in the bass. The K612 with the K712s refinement would likely be my ideal AKG. The K612 is a bit harder to drive, but not too much more. I personally ended up using the HD 650 as my main headphone, noticaebly better than the HD 600 to my ears.
Edited by kman1211 - 2/19/15 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by xeizo View Post

 

Funny, I came to exactly the same conclusion using K612 Pro vs HD600, with matching electronics they sound very similar. K612 Pro has a larger soundstage, cleaner deep bass and a faster sound with better attack on "clicky" sounds. But the timbre is quite close. K612 Pro requires much better matching though, if there's any flaw it will be heard, HD600 is more forgiving and generally a more allround can for a "normal" listener imho. K612 Pro is probably better for studio work like mastering etc.

 

K612 Pro should sound very close to the K712 Pro, with slightly less "slam" in the bass and no extra treble "brilliance"(in essence more neutral). But K612 do need better amping than K712 does.

K712 has more liquid and full body due to high-bass and low mid enhancement.

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K712 has more liquid and full body due to high-bass and low mid enhancement.

That is true, I do need to try the K612 again as well, my system has been upgraded quite a bit since I last used them. Will be able to listen to them again in March.
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