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Originally Posted by BillsonChang007 View Post

Shouldn't be a problem! Just upgrade the DAC/amp later on (if you wish to) smily_headphones1.gif

Thanks. I had PC 350, which has a higher impedance than K712. So I think my Xense card should able to run this headphone just as fine as my PC 350.

Btw what is the crucial difference between K712 and K612? Is the detachable cable really that worth?


Edited by dedemouse - 7/30/14 at 9:15am
post #3137 of 3450
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

This anti-Chinese made nonsense needs to stop. The K612 as well as others have been made in China for a while now, and no one I know has had any reliability or any sort of issue with them. As someone who directly compared a K612 with an Austrian made K712, there are no build differences whatsoever, headband differences aside. One can say the K612 is better than the K712, and I wouldn't be mad at that statement.

Then theres the fact that some of the most popular headphones are made in China like Hifiman, and some of the best built dac amps are also made there (Audio GD).

Just stop it already. It's a stupid, stupid prejudice and over generalization.

Ironic enough that the K812 is Austrian made, and has a lot more issues than I've ever seen with the K612 or K702.


It isn't being anti-Chinese, I was personally mentioning the new K702 and the older K702 having different build qualities in terms of materials used. I didn't say they were cheaper because they were made in China but rather there is a difference in the older Austrian made ones and the newer Chinese made ones. There were some people noting cheaper materials and plastics with the new K702s. This lies with AKG or likely more specifically with Harman. The the K612 vs K712 build quality can't really be used in comparing the old vs new K702s. Anyways the K612 was being both made in Austria and China when they were first made and maybe they still are, it's why some higher model number K612s are made in Austria while some lower number ones were made in China. I made no mention of the reliability or sound. No build difference? I own both the K712 and K612. The K712 is better made and is made of more robust and sturdier plastics and has an overall more solid and quality feel to it than the K612, the K612 feels a bit cheap compared to the K712. The build differences are pretty obvious between the two. Sound wise I can see people preferring one over the other. Both my K612 and K712 are Austrian made. I know there is no difference between in build quality between the Austrian and Chinese made K612 as I've seen and felt both side by side and they were identical.

 

What I'm worried about is AKG may cheap out a bit if they switch the production of the K712 over to a different factory and country. Maybe they are just doing what happened with the K612, just dividing the production between the Austrian and Chinese factory.

 

Hifiman and Audio GD are not the best examples to use in regards of AKG because they are founded in China companies. I'm well aware there are many well made Chinese products. What matters isn't where it's made but how well it's made. China does have a bad reputation because a lot of really cheap products come out of China. Also there is resentment among many people because many manufacturing jobs have been switched from their home country to China and other countries.


Edited by kman1211 - 7/30/14 at 12:48pm
post #3138 of 3450
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

This anti-Chinese made nonsense needs to stop. The K612 as well as others have been made in China for a while now, and no one I know has had any reliability or any sort of issue with them. As someone who directly compared a K612 with an Austrian made K712, there are no build differences whatsoever, headband differences aside. One can say the K612 is better than the K712, and I wouldn't be mad at that statement.

Then theres the fact that some of the most popular headphones are made in China like Hifiman, and some of the best built dac amps are also made there (Audio GD).

Just stop it already. It's a stupid, stupid prejudice and over generalization.

Ironic enough that the K812 is Austrian made, and has a lot more issues than I've ever seen with the K612 or K702.

Thinking about it a a little more, there is the prejudice because of a history of shoddy quality, but there is also the very real "Chinese labor is very cheap," which indeed is a profit for the company (which sometimes results in lower consumer price, and maybe AKG had to with the Q701 price so low) but also supports sometimes in humane working situations. A few years back there was a big news blurb about the employee suicides at Foxconn, and here in America I am working and looking for higher pay, can't imagine how it is in some of these factories.
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Originally Posted by kman1211 View Post


It isn't being anti-Chinese, I was personally mentioning the new K702 and the older K702 having different build qualities in terms of materials used. I didn't say they were cheaper because they were made in China but rather there is a difference in the older Austrian made ones and the newer Chinese made ones. There were some people noting cheaper materials and plastics with the new K702s. This lies with AKG or likely more specifically with Harman. The the K612 vs K712 build quality can't really be used in comparing the old vs new K702s. Anyways the K612 was being both made in Austria and China when they were first made and maybe they still are, it's why some higher model number K612s are made in Austria while some lower number ones were made in China. I made no mention of the reliability or sound. No build difference? I own both the K712 and K612. The K712 is better made and is made of more robust and sturdier plastics and has an overall more solid and quality feel to it than the K612, the K612 feels a bit cheap compared to the K712. The build differences are pretty obvious between the two. Sound wise I can see people preferring one over the other. Both my K612 and K712 are Austrian made. I know there is no difference between in build quality between the Austrian and Chinese made K612 as I've seen and felt both side by side and they were identical.

What I'm worried about is AKG may cheap out a bit if they switch the production of the K712 over to a different factory and country. Maybe they are just doing what happened with the K612, just dividing the production between the Austrian and Chinese factory.

Hifiman and Audio GD are not the best examples to use in regards of AKG because they are founded in China companies. I'm well aware there are many well made Chinese products. What matters isn't where it's made but how well it's made. China does have a bad reputation because a lot of really cheap products come out of China. Also there is resentment among many people because many manufacturing jobs have been switched from their home country to China and other countries.
amen.

also, for me and why i made my comment, if you know you are paying for something made in Austria and it arrives being Chineese made, i'd be a little upset. this should be very appearant, but the sneakiness would make me upset. IF the quality IS a tiny bit different then the Austrian made models, and the price stayed the same, i'd DEFINITELY be upset
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Originally Posted by -Bankai View Post


amen.

also, for me and why i made my comment, if you know you are paying for something made in Austria and it arrives being Chineese made, i'd be a little upset. this should be very appearant, but the sneakiness would make me upset. IF the quality IS a tiny bit different then the Austrian made models, and the price stayed the same, i'd DEFINITELY be upset


That's exactly why people are upset about this, it has nothing to do with prejudice. They sneakily changed the manufacturing location. The K702, Q701, and K712 were marketed and known as being Austrian made, then it comes as Chinese made and you are not sure if you are being gypped or not in terms of build quality and sound quality and you may believe you even got a fake. And from what I read in regards to the K702/Q701 and an older example I can personally confirm with the K240, there seems to be a build quality hit/change to varying degrees.


Edited by kman1211 - 7/30/14 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by kman1211 View Post


That's exactly why people are upset about this, it has nothing to do with prejudice. They sneakily changed the manufacturing location. The K702, Q701, and K712 were marketed and known as being Austrian made, then it comes as Chinese made and you are not sure if you are being gypped or not in terms of build quality and sound quality and you may believe you even got a fake. And from what I read in regards to the K702/Q701 and an older example I can personally confirm with the K240, there seems to be a build quality hit/change to varying degrees.
Or you might've been duped into supporting poor wages.
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Hey fellow audiophiles. I am new to the game and just experiencing what good headphones could sound like... First off I am blown away all ready. I mainly use these for gaming, and I have a pro mix amp for it. I am currently wanting to get an amp for these and possibly a DAC later on. My question is this- what is the amout of money that would take to drive these to 80-100% potential? I understand that you can spend over 1000$ on an amp but to me I can't mentally afford to do that when I got the cans for 350.... BUT I would like to know where they stand in reference to what I could get out of them. I have heard a lot of good things about schiit. Would the magni do them enough justice, or save my money because the Valhalla 2 will be that much better? Any thoughts on the matter I will appreciate. Thanks
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That was just those 2 specific amps as an example due to them being in different price ranfes
post #3144 of 3450
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Originally Posted by dedemouse View Post

Thanks. I had PC 350, which has a higher impedance than K712. So I think my Xense card should able to run this headphone just as fine as my PC 350.
Btw what is the crucial difference between K712 and K612? Is the detachable cable really that worth?

Not really. I remember there's a comparison between both the K712 and K612. Some prefer the warmer sound signature of K612 while some prefer the traditional K712.
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Originally Posted by bunnynamedfrank View Post

That was just those 2 specific amps as an example due to them being in different price ranfes

I am currently pairing my Annie with E09K and I like it. There are times I find that it does not drive it to full justice. My Micro iDSD is arriving very soon. Will be posting my impression the next day itself xD
post #3145 of 3450
The Valhalla is suited for high impedance headphones that require voltage, FWIR. The K712 relies more on current and not voltage.
post #3146 of 3450
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Originally Posted by bunnynamedfrank View Post

Hey fellow audiophiles. I am new to the game and just experiencing what good headphones could sound like... First off I am blown away all ready. I mainly use these for gaming, and I have a pro mix amp for it. I am currently wanting to get an amp for these and possibly a DAC later on. My question is this- what is the amout of money that would take to drive these to 80-100% potential? I understand that you can spend over 1000$ on an amp but to me I can't mentally afford to do that when I got the cans for 350.... BUT I would like to know where they stand in reference to what I could get out of them. I have heard a lot of good things about schiit. Would the magni do them enough justice, or save my money because the Valhalla 2 will be that much better? Any thoughts on the matter I will appreciate. Thanks

 

The "low end" amps like the O2 or Schiit Vali are pretty spectacular at very reasonable price points. Don't be fooled by their small sizes. This is one of those technologies that has been around forever, been done to death, and for most purposes the 'low end' is more than the average person needs. 

post #3147 of 3450
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Originally Posted by jbarrentine View Post

The "low end" amps like the O2 or Schiit Vali are pretty spectacular at very reasonable price points. Don't be fooled by their small sizes. This is one of those technologies that has been around forever, been done to death, and for most purposes the 'low end' is more than the average person needs. 

Yeah, keep in mind that the K712 are pretty low impedance (but low sensitivity), so like Mad said they won't need much voltage to get loud, but a little more current than you get from a motherboard and iPod will help with clarity and distortion. I personally like tube hybrids, for that tube sound but also a solid-state opamp to easily provide lots of current. The Vali offers tube rolling and a few other nice things over the Vali, but it's a good option. The garage1217 amps (Project Starlight, Sunrise III, and Ember) are also good. The O2 is good but very "straight" with the source material and cumbersome physically.
post #3148 of 3450

Since k702/1 and k712 use same driver:

 

http://lsirui.wordpress.com/2009/04/15/k701-vs-hd650-electrical-measurement/

 

"Final Thoughts: K701 is freaking hard to drive, much harder than 300 Ohm HD650, especially its bass."

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Originally Posted by vizzle View Post

Since k702/1 and k712 use same driver...

You mean "the Anniversary K702" shares the same driver as K712. No?
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Well AKG k701/2 k712 same parameter driver, but since we know big corporation it is same driver

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