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post #2926 of 3591
My K712 should be arriving very soon. Very excited, always wanted a K7xx series. I will do a comparison to my AD900x and K551. Both recabled if that matters on the NFB-12 DA amp.
post #2927 of 3591
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Originally Posted by SSandDigital View Post

My K712 should be arriving very soon. Very excited, always wanted a K7xx series. I will do a comparison to my AD900x and K551. Both recabled if that matters on the NFB-12 DA amp.

good choice. those bumps on the other versions are horribly uncomfortable

post #2928 of 3591

The K712 are amazingly comfortable, the pads are soft but strong, they retain shape so the cups don't touch my ears.  The AD900x almost succeeded with this by having a very angled driver, but it can still touch slightly.  Overall for pad comfort, K712 has an edge for for me.  But the angled drivers of the AD900x I think has better presentation though.  Toss up?

 

The bass is surprisingly strong and good with the K712.  Both the AD900x and K712 have improved bass for open air headphones that I've owned/used in the past.  AD900, HD650 and HD598.  The bass is as deep and pronounced as the HD650 but it has similar impact and strength as the AD900 did, so AD900x and K712 both win here.  AD900x still has that nice punch that AD900 had but stronger and fuller.  K712 while doesn't have quite the punch, I think it goes deeper and fuller.  It's a toss up, just depends on what I feel like listening to.

 

Mids/Vocals, easily AD900x wins here.  Female vocals are sublime with AD900x.  To me the K712 the mids and vocals are slightly recessed and female voices not as sweet.  But the sound is balanced.  AD900x slight win here.

 

Treble, K712 slight edge.  AD900x has more sparkle, more fun, but it can diffused at times and is the cause for hearing fatigue.  K712 rolls off more to me, it's softer similar to HD598.  HD650 still veiled to me.  K712 doesn't have hearing fatigue but treble is still detailed.  I would even say it's an issue of longer term comfort, so K712 has slight edge here, even though AD900x treble can bring up-lifting music to life more.

 

Soundstage, K712 slight edge here too.  AD900x soundstage is definitely larger, but it's feels artificial at times, which is why I think the treble can become diffused.  K712 the soundstage is smaller but it feels more natural and to me, sound separation is better.

 

Efficiency?  On my NFB-12, AD900x I use low gain at around 9 o clock.  K712 I use high gain at around 8-9 o clock.  Who wins here?  I dunno, you decide. 

 

I will not be selling the AD900x, I love them.  I'm enjoying the K712 too.

 

Comparing to K551, well K551 build quality trumps both.  Comfort nearly as good, cable horrible.  Sound wise it's understated and neutral but detailed.  It's good enough for when I'm in public and traveling.  That's all I'll say.

 

One thing would mention, between the 3, after I listen and allow my ears to acclimate to the sound, I can enjoy listening to any three.  AKG and Audio Technica made great headphones that my ears enjoy.  I hope my observations aren't too polarizing or varying, since I to me all three headphones reproduce sound very well comparatively to my speakers.  I don't find any particular sound or element to be way out of sort to distract or annoy me, other than the fatigue on the AD900x after a few hours.


Edited by SSandDigital - 6/15/14 at 4:46pm
post #2929 of 3591
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Originally Posted by SSandDigital View Post
 

The K712 are amazingly comfortable, the pads are soft but strong, they retain shape so the cups don't touch my ears.  The AD900x almost succeeded with this by having a very angled driver, but it can still touch slightly.  Overall for pad comfort, K712 has an edge for for me.  But the angled drivers of the AD900x I think has better presentation though.  Toss up?

 

The bass is surprisingly strong and good with the K712.  Both the AD900x and K712 have improved bass for open air headphones that I've owned/used in the past.  AD900, HD650 and HD598.  The bass is as deep and pronounced as the HD650 but it has similar impact and strength as the AD900 did, so AD900x and K712 both win here.  AD900x still has that nice punch that AD900 had but stronger and fuller.  K712 while doesn't have quite the punch, I think it goes deeper and fuller.  It's a toss up, just depends on what I feel like listening to.

 

Mids/Vocals, easily AD900x wins here.  Female vocals are sublime with AD900x.  To me the K712 the mids and vocals are slightly recessed and female voices not as sweet.  But the sound is balanced.  AD900x slight win here.

 

Treble, K712 slight edge.  AD900x has more sparkle, more fun, but it can diffused at times and is the cause for hearing fatigue.  K712 rolls off more to me, it's softer similar to HD598.  HD650 still veiled to me.  K712 doesn't have hearing fatigue but treble is still detailed.  I would even say it's an issue of longer term comfort, so K712 has slight edge here, even though AD900x treble can bring up-lifting music to life more.

 

Soundstage, K712 slight edge here too.  AD900x soundstage is definitely larger, but it's feels artificial at times, which is why I think the treble can become diffused.  K712 the soundstage is smaller but it feels more natural and to me, sound separation is better.

 

Efficiency?  On my NFB-12, AD900x I use low gain at around 9 o clock.  K712 I use high gain at around 8-9 o clock.  Who wins here?  I dunno, you decide. 

 

I will not be selling the AD900x, I love them.  I'm enjoying the K712 too.

 

Comparing to K551, well K551 build quality trumps both.  Comfort nearly as good, cable horrible.  Sound wise it's understated and neutral but detailed.  It's good enough for when I'm in public and traveling.  That's all I'll say.

 

One thing would mention, between the 3, after I listen and allow my ears to acclimate to the sound, I can enjoy listening to any three.  AKG and Audio Technica made great headphones that my ears enjoy.  I hope my observations aren't too polarizing or varying, since I to me all three headphones reproduce sound very well comparatively to my speakers.  I don't find any particular sound or element to be way out of sort to distract or annoy me, other than the fatigue on the AD900x after a few hours.


I am on the verge of getting a pair of these sometime soon hopefully, so I want to ask you a question about the K712's comfort. Is it well suited for those of us with larger heads, and need more earpad room for sensitive ears? My ears are not too large but are sensitive as I found out when my right ear touched the velour pad of the DT-990s. I am hoping the K712 has more room for my ears.

post #2930 of 3591
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Originally Posted by XIX47 View Post
 


I am on the verge of getting a pair of these sometime soon hopefully, so I want to ask you a question about the K712's comfort. Is it well suited for those of us with larger heads, and need more earpad room for sensitive ears? My ears are not too large but are sensitive as I found out when my right ear touched the velour pad of the DT-990s. I am hoping the K712 has more room for my ears.

 

I'm sorry, not sure about that.  I can say that K712 are bigger than the AD900x and deeper.  They are more spacious than the K550 also.  Definitely much bigger than HD650.  

post #2931 of 3591
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Originally Posted by XIX47 View Post


I am on the verge of getting a pair of these sometime soon hopefully, so I want to ask you a question about the K712's comfort. Is it well suited for those of us with larger heads, and need more earpad room for sensitive ears? My ears are not too large but are sensitive as I found out when my right ear touched the velour pad of the DT-990s. I am hoping the K712 has more room for my ears.

Yes it is well suited for those with large heads and sensitive ears. I had the DT 990 and the K712 definitely has more room in the earpads than the DT 990.
post #2932 of 3591

Is the 712 WORTH approximately TWO 612, because that's about what the price point is like. 

 

I'm coming from Beyer T90, and want something similar in clarity, with decent mids. The T90 is just too damn heavy for me. 

post #2933 of 3591
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Is the 712 WORTH approximately TWO 612, because that's about what the price point is like. 

I'm coming from Beyer T90, and want something similar in clarity, with decent mids. The T90 is just too damn heavy for me. 

In terms of sound it's not worth twice as much, overall, it's a maybe. It's a bit better than the K612 in terms of overall fidelity but it's not all that much better. Both are lightweight and comfortable with the K712 being noticaebly more comfortable for me. The comfort is the main reason I like the K712 more, I also like it's sound slightly more but which I like more sound wise also depends on my mood. The sound signature is different between the two with the K612 being the more midrange oriented of the two.
post #2934 of 3591
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Originally Posted by jbarrentine View Post
 

Is the 712 WORTH approximately TWO 612, because that's about what the price point is like. 

 

I'm coming from Beyer T90, and want something similar in clarity, with decent mids. The T90 is just too damn heavy for me. 

 

You're asking this as someone who owns a T90?  Seriously?  Is the T90 twice as good as the DT990? Cause the T90 is listed at almost twice the price of a DT990 on Beyerdynamic's site.  Do you think the T1 is three times as good as your T90 since it costs 3 times as much? 

 

And of course for a long time, for many AKG 501 was the best headphone they produced even though K601 and K701 were available.  I wish I had a K501, as they purported to have one the best soundstage and natural, neutral sound from AKG. Rarely do you see them on sale.  And if they are on ebay, the bidding goes insane.  And if you find one brand new now, price is twice as high as the K712, even though originally priced around $140.

 

Hopefully you're getting what I'm getting at... your question is ridiculous.


Edited by SSandDigital - 6/17/14 at 9:51am
post #2935 of 3591
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Originally Posted by SSandDigital View Post
 

 

You're asking this as someone who owns a T90?  Seriously?  Is the T90 twice as good as the DT990? Cause the T90 is listed at almost twice the price of a DT990 on Beyerdynamic's site.  Do you think the T1 is three times as good as your T90 since it costs 3 times as much? 

 

And of course for a long time, for many AKG 501 was the best headphone they produced even though K601 and K701 were available.  I wish I had a K501, as they purported to have one the best soundstage and natural, neutral sound from AKG. Rarely do you see them on sale.  And if they are on ebay, the bidding goes insane.  And if you find one brand new now, price is twice as high as the K712, even though originally priced around $140.

 

Hopefully you're getting what I'm getting at... your question is ridiculous.

 

Having never heard a DT990 or T1 I can't say. 

 

Your answer was completely uninformative and insulting both. You can stick it where the sun doesn't shine. 


Edited by jbarrentine - 6/17/14 at 12:56pm
post #2936 of 3591
Worth is measured in more than just sound quality. There is build, comfort, accessories, functionality (like removable cable), etc.

I think his question is a perfectly reasonable one.

That said, he did mention the sound characteristics he wanted. So the question could simply be answered by telling him if one of the two cans doesn't possess what he it's after.

I was actually going to ask a similar question but saw his.
post #2937 of 3591
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Originally Posted by jbarrentine View Post

Is the 712 WORTH approximately TWO 612, because that's about what the price point is like. 

I'm coming from Beyer T90, and want something similar in clarity, with decent mids. The T90 is just too damn heavy for me. 

Hello,

Not so sure how heavy the T90 is, but the K702/65 / K712 is not much lighter IMO or at least, not the lightest headphone I have tried.

Billson smily_headphones1.gif
post #2938 of 3591
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Originally Posted by BillsonChang007 View Post


Hello,

Not so sure how heavy the T90 is, but the K702/65 / K712 is not much lighter IMO or at least, not the lightest headphone I have tried.

Billson smily_headphones1.gif

 

From technical data =>

 

T-90  =  350 gr

K7XX = 235 gr

 

(without câble)

post #2939 of 3591
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Originally Posted by Kamakahah View Post

Worth is measured in more than just sound quality. There is build, comfort, accessories, functionality (like removable cable), etc.

I think his question is a perfectly reasonable one.

That said, he did mention the sound characteristics he wanted. So the question could simply be answered by telling him if one of the two cans doesn't possess what he it's after.

I was actually going to ask a similar question but saw his.

K712 has clarity and decent mids. Twice as good as K612? That question is still dumb though.
post #2940 of 3591
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Originally Posted by HaVoC-28 View Post
 

 

From technical data =>

 

T-90  =  350 gr

K7XX = 235 gr

 

(without câble)

Lighter but still kind of heavy IMO sound wise, they are pretty clean and will most likely suit what he/she is looking for xD 

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