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post #2911 of 4645
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Originally Posted by GrdironTrenches View Post
 

The Project Ember is an effective amp, ill probably roll with them. I gathered they wont cause much distortion or altered effects with even denon 5000s while allowing for upgradable room if the AKG K712s ever need replaced with some harder to drive headphones. The different voltages and gains are interesting, the Asgard has no room for play and gain levels cant be changed without accessing the xonar essence stx control panel. Tube amps are a new experience, the Project Ember seems to match K712s strengths with maybe even helping out the mids while keeping a warm sound of solid slate amps


The project ember doesn't really have enough distortion to be audible, although some tubes may make it have audible distortion. There is a certain point where distortion levels become meaningless in amps and many SS amps and tubes amps can reach so low distortion that distortion won't impact the sound in any audible way. Some tubes may increase distortion, but some tubes have almost no distortion. Differences you may hear from good tube amps compared to good solid state amps are most likely attributed to amp design and the fact that tubes and SS are a different method of amplification so they can have their own sound character that isn't related to distortion. Sometimes the difference is so little between tube and SS you can't really tell a difference. The biggest difference I found to be the case with tubes and SS amps in general in terms of sound is that tubes have a somewhat different presentation of sound than SS amps, tubes generally sound rounder and have more body to their midrange from my experience. The Project Ember will probably be a really good amp for the K712, the question is how good the stock tube is for the K712 and what tube would likely be the best for the headphone. The K712 can really sing on the right system.

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Originally Posted by dakanao View Post
 

I'm planning to buy a FiiO E12 with these headphones, is that a good combo voor 529 euro's?

I found the FiiO E12 to pair well with the K712, it's a combination I am happy with. It's a good choice for the K712 for the price.


Edited by kman1211 - 6/1/14 at 6:16pm
post #2912 of 4645
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Originally Posted by KlarkKentThe3rd View Post

I asked this in the wrong thread, so asking here instead. Sonic Sense Pro Audio is a bunch of nice ppl who record headphones and loudspeakers and upload samples for free, for people to compare. They recorded K712, and it sounds lacking in stereo imaging, sounding borderline mono. Now, it is totally possible for them to make mistakes and place the microphones incorrectly, or badly mix their recordings.

So, I want to ask the owners of the (°_°)phones in this thread: is the sample from SSPA recorded/sounding incorrectly?

K712:
https://soundcloud.com/sonic-sense-pro-audio/akg-k712?in=sonic-sense-pro-audio/sets/headphones-test

Source file:
https://soundcloud.com/sonic-sense-pro-audio/headphone-source-track?in=sonic-sense-pro-audio/sets/headphones-test

Um... How can you possibly tell how a headphone sounds when you play back a recording from different speakers?

Rest assured, they definitely sound stereo, and if a recording was made with stereo mics with headphones in mind (binaural recordings), it can produce the 3D directional sound our two ears hear naturally.

It also is an experience much like you'd expect from the frequency graphs, bit of warmth to the bass and not recessed or clouded anywhere. Very detailed an articulate, great sense of depth and width to the soundstage, controlled with a lot of finesse. Just a little improvement over a K612 though.

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Originally Posted by dakanao View Post

I'm planning to buy a FiiO E12 with these headphones, is that a good combo voor 529 euro's?
Very clean amp, versatile. I like it even more with the K712 than I do with the Q701, I can listen to it longer. I wrote a review on the E12 which is posted in my signature, and I made an unboxing and features review video on YouTube but people seem distracted by the look of my fingers... Which doesn't make sense to me.
Edited by Evshrug - 6/1/14 at 10:45pm
post #2913 of 4645

Does anybody know if the schiit magni/modi would sound good with these or would something like the asgard-2 or valhalla-2 be better? Im looking for things around 350 dollars or less.


Edited by josh3 - 6/2/14 at 5:35am
post #2914 of 4645
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Originally Posted by josh3 View Post
 

Does anybody know if the schiit magni/modi would sound good with these or would something like the asgard-2 or valhalla-2 be better? Im looking for things around 350 dollars or less.

Any of those would probably be good. The NFB-15.32 and Matrix M-stage should also pair well. I love the clean sound of my NFB-11.32, but it's a bit over $350 after shipping.  

post #2915 of 4645
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Originally Posted by kman1211 View Post
 


The project ember doesn't really have enough distortion to be audible, although some tubes may make it have audible distortion. There is a certain point where distortion levels become meaningless in amps and many SS amps and tubes amps can reach so low distortion that distortion won't impact the sound in any audible way. Some tubes may increase distortion, but some tubes have almost no distortion. Differences you may hear from good tube amps compared to good solid state amps are most likely attributed to amp design and the fact that tubes and SS are a different method of amplification so they can have their own sound character that isn't related to distortion. Sometimes the difference is so little between tube and SS you can't really tell a difference. The biggest difference I found to be the case with tubes and SS amps in general in terms of sound is that tubes have a somewhat different presentation of sound than SS amps, tubes generally sound rounder and have more body to their midrange from my experience. The Project Ember will probably be a really good amp for the K712, the question is how good the stock tube is for the K712 and what tube would likely be the best for the headphone. The K712 can really sing on the right system.

I found the FiiO E12 to pair well with the K712, it's a combination I am happy with. It's a good choice for the K712 for the price.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post


Um... How can you possibly tell how a headphone sounds when you play back a recording from different speakers?

Rest assured, they definitely sound stereo, and if a recording was made with stereo mics with headphones in mind (binaural recordings), it can produce the 3D directional sound our two ears hear naturally.

It also is an experience much like you'd expect from the frequency graphs, bit of warmth to the bass and not recessed or clouded anywhere. Very detailed an articulate, great sense of depth and width to the soundstage, controlled with a lot of finesse. Just a little improvement over a K612 though.
Very clean amp, versatile. I like it even more with the K712 than I do with the Q701, I can listen to it longer. I wrote a review on the E12 which is posted in my signature, and I made an unboxing and features review video on YouTube but people seem distracted by the look of my fingers... Which doesn't make sense to me.

How would the K712 perform with rap/hiphop music with the FiiO E12?

post #2916 of 4645
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post


Um... How can you possibly tell how a headphone sounds when you play back a recording from different speakers?

Rest assured, they definitely sound stereo, and if a recording was made with stereo mics with headphones in mind (binaural recordings), it can produce the 3D directional sound our two ears hear naturally.

It also is an experience much like you'd expect from the frequency graphs, bit of warmth to the bass and not recessed or clouded anywhere. Very detailed an articulate, great sense of depth and width to the soundstage, controlled with a lot of finesse. Just a little improvement over a K612 though.
Very clean amp, versatile. I like it even more with the K712 than I do with the Q701, I can listen to it longer. I wrote a review on the E12 which is posted in my signature, and I made an unboxing and features review video on YouTube but people seem distracted by the look of my fingers... Which doesn't make sense to me.

Well, even though different speakers alter the sound, when you listen to the source file and then a (°_°)phone recording, you will hear the difference. Because altered!original will sound closer to the source than altered!altered recording.

post #2917 of 4645

Has anybody heard the Heed canamp or Schiit asgard-2 with the k-712's, im considering either of those for an amp and will probably get the modi for the dac.

post #2918 of 4645
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Originally Posted by josh3 View Post

Has anybody heard the Heed canamp or Schiit asgard-2 with the k-712's, im considering either of those for an amp and will probably get the modi for the dac.
Asgard 2 works great with K712 -
post #2919 of 4645
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Originally Posted by MrPanda View Post


Asgard 2 works great with K712 -


thanks, was there a big difference between the asgard-2/modi and a phone or ipod ?


Edited by josh3 - 6/6/14 at 8:33am
post #2920 of 4645

lol anyone wanna let be borrow a k712 for a while? i wanna try them but i really dont wanna buy them 'cause i own the q701 and i used to own the k701 and k702

post #2921 of 4645

Will any mini xlr cable work as a replacement?

post #2922 of 4645
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Originally Posted by Nada190 View Post
 

Will any mini xlr cable work as a replacement?

 

Nope, apparently the wiring is different.

post #2923 of 4645

The Matrix M-Stage HPA-2 (USB) is relatively new. Since people like the M-stage with AKG's 7xx's that amp/DAC might be a good combination.

 

I just found out about it while considering the M-Stage.

post #2924 of 4645
My K712 should be arriving very soon. Very excited, always wanted a K7xx series. I will do a comparison to my AD900x and K551. Both recabled if that matters on the NFB-12 DA amp.
post #2925 of 4645
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Originally Posted by SSandDigital View Post

My K712 should be arriving very soon. Very excited, always wanted a K7xx series. I will do a comparison to my AD900x and K551. Both recabled if that matters on the NFB-12 DA amp.

good choice. those bumps on the other versions are horribly uncomfortable

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