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Originally Posted by cehowardNote3 View Post

As an older person, I know that, people that care about something, tell you like it is, and that might not be what you want to hear.. 
When I read Amazon's reviews, I always read the 1 and 2 stars to see what they are talking

Great advice! smily_headphones1.gif thanks xD
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Anyway, pulling the trigger big time on these K712, hope my O2+ODAC is strong enough for them ;)

 

O2+ODAC are strong enough by a large margin , the question is : Will you like this combo ? :p

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O2+ODAC are strong enough by a large margin , the question is : Will you like this combo ? :p

Very good point. As I am progressing up the learning curve, I see what we hear a lot of it is subjective. Might be good for you, but not for me, and we both be correct..Since I am newbie, and really got bad hearing to boot, I will just go by what I hear..From what I have been reading, for the money, the K712 are hard to beat. My Sony MDR 1RBTMK2, which are closed back bluetooth headphones shouldn't be able to out due the K712, in my opinion. They easily out did the AKG K550s and did it on bluetooth, while the AKG K550 was connected to a amp/dac..

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Well, since this is my first amp, I am not sure what else to say at this point but it works. The piercing highs which gave me earaches & headaches before have been tamed; I have not had any such issues since I have used the amp. I do not really notice any other major changes to the sound quality, so I would say it is a good amp for a newbie. Plus, its fits well into my small desktop space. Any of the much larger amps would not fit on my desktop.
Like zazex said, it may not be that the O2 is a smoother or treble-reducing colored amp, but often a nicer full-sized headphone needs an amp that can handle wider voltage swings and a deep capacitor well to draw current from, so that the headphone drivers are firmly controlled and have the muscle to make light work out of reproducing challenging music passages. IMO you don't need a super amp or special amp to do this, but a desktop amp between $200-$100 should suit fine.

I also noticed what you mentioned with my headphones, the Recon3D USB could drive my Q701's loud enough, but some sounds just seemed so harsh until I added a better amp.

Right now I'm wrestling with getting used to my new DAC. Never had anything better than an iPod (5th gen) or a gaming DAC before, last night I was listening to electronica and there was a buzzing track that seemed to be playing twice as many Zz notes as before. It was exhilarating, but maybe a bit too aggressive. Time to change tubes I guess, the Voskhod tube I have in now has a very aggressive "Grado-esq" sound to them. My K712 might help too, it's slightly more tightly controlled than my Q701, but the K is out on loan just now.

I haven't heard many people outside of the appreciation thread who actually like the K550, which saddens me. I know a closed headphone won't compete on soundstage (just be "good/great for a closed hp!"), but I was hoping for something closed, comfortable, full but not imbalanced sounding closed headphone I could use during my hour lunch breaks at work. The K550 look great (handy in a public place, learned this while I owned ATH-AD700's), but my best buy doesn't have them for demo and I just haven't felt encouraged by reviews.

The Sony R1 is supposed to be highly regarded, have seen people very happy with them but I haven't looked into them.
Edited by Evshrug - 5/23/14 at 12:16pm
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Don't get the 550....just don't...
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Don't get the 550....just don't...

I used to like them a lot but now I am settled with something else haha 

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Don't get the 550....just don't...

IMO, good advice. I am a 3 to 4 month old newbie. I am old and got bad hearing to boot. With that said, I was onto the AKG K550 as my 3rd set of headphones. I read the AKG K550 Apprec thread, all was good. I got a knock out one time deal to get a brand new set of K550 for $143.97 with free shipping. I was on it like hot on rice.

 

However, when they arrived, hooked them up, they sounded good but not super good. Hooked them to an amp, and play flac, they sounded even better. Then I did a comparison test with my Sony MDR 1RBTMK2.. Shucks, the MK2 blew the K550 away in all areas including comfort. BTW, the Sony was on wireless bluetooth, while the K550 was connected to an amp/dac.. The Sony had everything better, more and better base, soundstage, clearness in the highs mids, everything.

 

I reported this back in the AKG K550 Appreciation  thread, and was kindly asked to leave. :D

 

IMO, the AKG K550 are good in its price point..and even to my bad hearing the bass wasn't too prevalent to be kind. (Dag, I hope none of the AKG K550 people are reading this thread, they will surely beat me up this time!):D

The AKG K550s are on the way back to Harman Kardon, and the AKG K712 is in my cart on Amazon..From what I have been reading about the K712, it is all good. And my Sony won't kick its butt either!! :D

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tY for the reply, I'm using the Emotiva Stealth DC-1, i think it should drive them nicely right?


Not being familiar with the Emotiva Stealth DC-1 I can not comment about it. I will try to attend the emotiva on the road event in july. I am certain they will have one at the event. I am a big fan of the emotiva active loudspeakers. I have at one time owned three of them the airmotiv 5 the airmotiv 6 (sold) and the stealth 8. I am especially enthusiastic about the stealth 8. They are probably the best loudspeaker I have owned. And I have had quite a few loudspeakers in my time.

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tY for the reply, I'm using the Emotiva Stealth DC-1, i think it should drive them nicely right?


Not being familiar with the Emotiva Stealth DC-1 I can not comment about it. I will try to attend the emotiva on the road event in july. I am certain they will have one at the event. I am a big fan of the emotiva active loudspeakers. I have at one time owned three of them the airmotiv 5 the airmotiv 6 (sold) and the stealth 8. I am especially enthusiastic about the stealth 8. They are probably the best loudspeaker I have owned. And I have had quite a few loudspeakers in my time.

 

I know this was awhile back but I'm just seeing it. 

 

I just got a DC-1 a few weeks ago. Wow! Seriously good DAC on this thing. As far as headphone out, it'll definitely get you there. I think I read it pretty much has the same power as the benchmark 1 headphone out. I think you can do a little better with a Matrix M-stage or a Schiit Vali, if you want a little more clarity to the K712.

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I know this was awhile back but I'm just seeing it. 

 

I just got a DC-1 a few weeks ago. Wow! Seriously good DAC on this thing. As far as headphone out, it'll definitely get you there. I think I read it pretty much has the same power as the benchmark 1 headphone out. I think you can do a little better with a Matrix M-stage or a Schiit Vali, if you want a little more clarity to the K712.


Lately myself I have been using my burson ha-160 with my 701s. I have switched the power cord to a cable pro Reverie and boy did that make a huge difference in the way that the ha-160 sounds. The sound is much tighter, quieter and just way better in general. I know a lot of people have gone on to the conductor but the ha-160 when properly fused(hif tuning supreme) and a better power cord is no slouch. in fact while although I only briefly heard the conductor I found it to be somewhat too analytical sounding for my tastes. But it could have been the set up because it was at chiunify last year.

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I listened to these a few months ago before I knew that you actually need an amp for them, but I want to either get the K712s again or upgrade to the HD 600 from my HD 580s. For those who own both the HD 600 and K712, which do you prefer? I am using an ODAC+O2 combo which as many know is neutral to slightly bright, and I absolutely love the sound it puts into the HD 580s, but I also love the AKG K240 sound sig. Do the K712s have noticeably more treble detail than the HD 600?

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What amp/DAC combo do you guys recommend for these headphones if I want the most out of this headphone (with as less sibilance as possible), while being a bit boosted on the bass?

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I asked this in the wrong thread, so asking here instead. Sonic Sense Pro Audio is a bunch of nice ppl who record headphones and loudspeakers and upload samples for free, for people to compare. They recorded K712, and it sounds lacking in stereo imaging, sounding borderline mono. Now, it is totally possible for them to make mistakes and place the microphones incorrectly, or badly mix their recordings.

 

So, I want to ask the owners of the (°_°)phones in this thread: is the sample from SSPA recorded/sounding incorrectly?

 

K712:

https://soundcloud.com/sonic-sense-pro-audio/akg-k712?in=sonic-sense-pro-audio/sets/headphones-test

 

Source file:

https://soundcloud.com/sonic-sense-pro-audio/headphone-source-track?in=sonic-sense-pro-audio/sets/headphones-test

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I too would like to be pointed into the right direction with an amp. The Schiit Asgard drives my AH-D5000s real well but the K712s sound softer in comparison. The K712 hold their own, only at a higher gain with extra volume. Maybe I need to learn about proper wattage levels for powering headphones. Have heard about Schiit Valhalla, O2 and Matrix M stage. Would love neutral or one that brings out its soundstage while giving it more than enough juice!

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I too would like to be pointed into the right direction with an amp. The Schiit Asgard drives my AH-D5000s real well but the K712s sound softer in comparison. The K712 hold their own, only at a higher gain with extra volume. Maybe I need to learn about proper wattage levels for powering headphones. Have heard about Schiit Valhalla, O2 and Matrix M stage. Would love neutral or one that brings out its soundstage while giving it more than enough juice!


AKGs are quite fickle to amp, they have been some of the moodiest headphones I have used, this makes amping them a bit of a pain at times. I had the same with the Magni with AKGs being a bit too soft and disconnected sounding. I do like them on my current amps, the EF2A and E12 but I am also thinking about new amp. I've heard very good things about the Project Ember with the K712 and other AKGs.


Edited by kman1211 - 5/31/14 at 6:00pm
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