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post #2836 of 3450
It's easy to tell if you have both but I am having difficulty to identify mine D: will take a picture soon hehe
post #2837 of 3450
I didn't have both at the same time and it was still easy to identify. The Annie pads are fatter and more rounded, while the K712 pads are taller and thinner, with the inner sides sticking up like walls. Don't know how anyone could confuse the two.
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I didn't have both at the same time and it was still easy to identify. The Annie pads are fatter and more rounded, while the K712 pads are taller and thinner, with the inner sides sticking up like walls. Don't know how anyone could confuse the two.
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I didn't have both at the same time and it was still easy to identify. The Annie pads are fatter and more rounded, while the K712 pads are taller and thinner, with the inner sides sticking up like walls. Don't know how anyone could confuse the two.

I think mine looks very much like the early production which is Amnie pads rather than K712. Thanks!
post #2839 of 3450

hi guys I recently got a pair. I like them except the really really high end is absolutely awful to my sensitive ears. been burning them in with pink noise (~50 hrs so far) but I still find them way too painful to listen to. right now I'm just amping them through a PMA-750 (computer serato sl1 box-> pmc05 proIII vestax mixer -> PMA-750). They sound ok that way but still way too bright (?) (not sure if that counts as bright it's just like dog-whistle high pitch..)

 

anyway I also impulse bought a Yulong U100 but I'm fearing it's not going to be the right pairing if even the old Denon amp can't create a good sound (I've been a huge fan of this particular amp)

 

so I'm wondering: would someone tell me some favorable dac/amps for this thing? (preferably around 300 dollars. but whatever information is appreciated) and specifically (if possible) a dac/amp that would roll off that little bit of noise at the very top end. (or does someone know of a way to have an inline equalizer via software? maybe that's the way to go.)

 

thanks! I hope I'm not breaking any etiquette here.

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hi guys I recently got a pair. I like them except the really really high end is absolutely awful to my sensitive ears. been burning them in with pink noise (~50 hrs so far) but I still find them way too painful to listen to. right now I'm just amping them through a PMA-750 (computer serato sl1 box-> pmc05 proIII vestax mixer -> PMA-750). They sound ok that way but still way too bright (?) (not sure if that counts as bright it's just like dog-whistle high pitch..)

 

anyway I also impulse bought a Yulong U100 but I'm fearing it's not going to be the right pairing if even the old Denon amp can't create a good sound (I've been a huge fan of this particular amp)

 

so I'm wondering: would someone tell me some favorable dac/amps for this thing? (preferably around 300 dollars. but whatever information is appreciated) and specifically (if possible) a dac/amp that would roll off that little bit of noise at the very top end. (or does someone know of a way to have an inline equalizer via software? maybe that's the way to go.)

 

thanks! I hope I'm not breaking any etiquette here.


Sounds like the system is too bright for the headphones or is not giving them enough power. I use them with an EF2A and HRT Music Streamer II+ and they are quite neutral to me, I had problems with them being too dark and warm with my soundcard as a dac. What you described reminds me of my experience with the DT 990 on the Magni.

post #2841 of 3450

Have you tried playing with EQ? 

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Sounds like the system is too bright for the headphones or is not giving them enough power. I use them with an EF2A and HRT Music Streamer II+ and they are quite neutral to me, I had problems with them being too dark and warm with my soundcard as a dac. What you described reminds me of my experience with the DT 990 on the Magni.

do you use both in serial? EDIT: I see, you're using the Music Streamer as the DAC. did it also produce super high frequency sound out of the soundcard/mobilephone/otherpoorquality source or were they just dark?

 

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Have you tried playing with EQ? 

yeah if I EQ down the very top end or run a slight low pass it's fine, but I can't see a good way to integrate that permanently into my flow.


Edited by purplegoat - 4/30/14 at 10:30am
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do you use both in serial? EDIT: I see, you're using the Music Streamer as the DAC. did it also produce super high frequency sound out of the soundcard/mobilephone/otherpoorquality source or were they just dark?

Whether they were dark, bright, or relatively neutral depends on what they were hook up to. They are picky headphones. The best result I had for reducing and eliminating listening fatigue with headphones in general was switching to tubes, some reason they are just easier on my ears.

 

They had some treble issues when hooked up to a lower quality source such as my ipod, the volume had to be kept lower than normal listening volumes for it not to bother me. I also had problems with fatigue with them on my E12, ears started clogging up and they were unpleasant on the upper registers despite it not being all that bright, I had this problem with many of my other headphones as well. There was some odd high frequency unpleasantness, maybe its similar to what you are experiencing.

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Originally Posted by kman1211 View Post
 

Whether they were dark, bright, or relatively neutral depends on what they were hook up to. They are picky headphones. The best result I had for reducing and eliminating listening fatigue with headphones in general was switching to tubes, some reason they are just easier on my ears.

 

They had some treble issues when hooked up to a lower quality source such as my ipod, the volume had to be kept lower than normal listening volumes for it not to bother me. I also had problems with fatigue with them on my E12, ears started clogging up and they were unpleasant on the upper registers despite it not being all that bright, I had this problem with many of my other headphones as well. There was some odd high frequency unpleasantness, maybe its similar to what you are experiencing.

awesome thanks. I'll keep this in mind. 

post #2845 of 3450
That's one thing the Annie with the older flatter Memory Foam pads didn't have. The highs were smoother, and less fatiguing.

Maybe trying to find some early production Anniversary pads would make the K712 easier on the ears in terms of upper mids/treble.
post #2846 of 3450

That is true. The Annie pads are not quite as comfortable though if you have problems with ears touching the driver covers though. I have noticed the K712 is slightly fatiguing unlike my K612 which causes no fatigue at all. The comfort is a noticeable step up though, the K612 pads can be a bit itchy. Soundwise I can't decide, I keep flip-flopping on which I like more. But in the end I will likely favor the K612s better balance and better midrange. The K712 sounds slightly more refined but it also sounds a bit veiled compared to the K612. Reminds me of my experience comparing the HD 600 and HD 650 where the HD 650 was slightly more refined but it also suffered a bit of a veil compared to the HD 600.

post #2847 of 3450

I managed to lift the veil on the K712, I found some tubes I misplaced and turns out they are a great match with the K712. They are now transparent sounding.


Edited by kman1211 - 5/2/14 at 8:37pm
post #2848 of 3450

hi guys sorry to bother again, my amp came and I don't dislike the dac-amp, they sound better this way. Also I think my ears are getting used to the harsh top end and maybe they're burning in a bit. if I keep the phones I will get a black dragon and hope that that rolls off that tiny bit of extra sharp noise.

 

serious question though:

 

these headphones are poorly balanced, is it my amp?

 

right now they're very lacking in the middle (say 300hz-1.5khz ?) and I've noticed they're seriously peaked for acoustic music. frequency wise, right now I'm getting a lot of artificial sound especially on vocals because it's boosting specific frequencies (creating an odd resonance). I was going to use these for mixing and mastering and right now they aren't suitable, can anyone confirm that this is due to my lack of a good amp?

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Originally Posted by purplegoat View Post
 

hi guys sorry to bother again, my amp came and I don't dislike the dac-amp, they sound better this way. Also I think my ears are getting used to the harsh top end and maybe they're burning in a bit. if I keep the phones I will get a black dragon and hope that that rolls off that tiny bit of extra sharp noise.

 

serious question though:

 

these headphones are poorly balanced, is it my amp?

 

right now they're very lacking in the middle (say 300hz-1.5khz ?) and I've noticed they're seriously peaked for acoustic music. frequency wise, right now I'm getting a lot of artificial sound especially on vocals because it's boosting specific frequencies (creating an odd resonance). I was going to use these for mixing and mastering and right now they aren't suitable, can anyone confirm that this is due to my lack of a good amp?


The headphones are a bit v-shaped and the midrange is somewhat recessed. I'm still in the process of burning mine in, so maybe they will improve with some use.


Edited by kman1211 - 5/3/14 at 6:22pm
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The headphones are a bit v-shaped and the midrange is somewhat recessed. I'm still in the process of burning mine in, so maybe they will improve with some use.

I'm also burning mine in, ~100 hours now I think. v  shaped is really really bad for a reference headphone and the strong peaks are unacceptable. I didn't know the peaks were so pronounced.

 

can someone speak to the latter point?

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