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post #2776 of 3082

someone can make a comparison between the k712 and the K612?

post #2777 of 3082
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Originally Posted by tomb View Post

A good observation.  Still, it's not too different from the big three that existed a couple of years ago: Sennheiser HD600, Beyerdynamic DT880, AKG K701.  Sennheiser has actually re-cycled the design several times: HD580, HD600, HD650.  Beyerdynamic offers several flavors of the DT880: Pro, Premium and I don't know what exactly - but then there's the "Manufaktur" edition, too.  I think the biggest difference is that perhaps: Beyerdynamic does not market as much as AKG, while both Beyerdynamic and Sennheiser continue to push the barrier with the HD800, HD700, T-1, T-5p, etc.  Until AKG came out with the K812, it seemed that all AKG was interested in was marketing and no other "new" headphone designs.

In any event, the now mid-ranged headphones mentioned above were/are world-class headphones, and perhaps better bang-for-buck headphones than any of the flagship headphones currently offered.  AKG may have gone about things a bit differently than the other two, but it doesn't detract from the validity of the design.  JMHO.

There are complaints about my favorite headphones as well - Grados.  Same driver, same design for almost every headphone.  They simply re-package it with different ear cushions and different cup materials/shapes.  Then again, what else does headphone design involve if the driver is optimized - other than comfort and aesthetics?  

I remember, with the recent Sennheiser interview with Co-CEO, he said something like there's no point of making a new headphone in a better design with the same old driver as used before, Sennheiser wanted new driver, new technology and improved sound for every of their new headphones combining with new stylish design.

^ I pretty much agree with that. The Grado IMO already have decent design, no need of changing. But then again, I am part of Grado Fanboy so yeah xP
post #2778 of 3082
So it makes it seem like the only difference in sound with the Annie and K712 may have been that the older Annies used flat memory foam, and now that they're angled (right?), the disparity has been lessened. Either that, or the Annie now uses K712 drivers...
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/22/14 at 8:53pm
post #2779 of 3082

Just picked up a pair..

 

If you feed it s*** it spits out s***!!!!

 

If you feed it a quality source and files/records, it's lovely:) Because of very low weight, and high comfort, these will be keepers...


Edited by migasson - 4/2/14 at 3:07am
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

So it makes it seem like the only difference in sound with the Annie and K712 may have been that the older Annies used flat memory foam, and now that they're angled (right?), the disparity has been lessened. Either that, or the Annie now uses K712 drivers...
My K712 came with noticeably not-angled pads, very easy to distinguish from my Q701 pads. About as thick as the thick part of the Q701 pad, too.

Mids seem different (better/more present) and bass seems a hair more refined, swapping pads changed the sound a bit but they still sounded distinct from each other. I still have the pads swapped... Didn't make as much difference as which headphone I was using.
post #2782 of 3082
I mean more of a change going from the flat Annie pads to the K712 pads. Newer Annies may have a similar pad to the K712 which may lessen the perception of a difference between them. I'm sure they're different, but the difference may be smaller now than ever before.
post #2783 of 3082

Quick review:

 

I've had these for about three weeks now. Comfort/build wise, it feels more solid than the SR60s in some respects (the cups, cables, etc.), but more delicate as well (the plastic arches, the elastic band, and clear plastic thing). The cups are also a lot bigger than what I'm used to, but stay comfortable for longer. They're also quite heavy, but the weight is nicely distributed.

 

Unamped, they're good, but nothing really stands out - which is a bonus in and of itself, as that suggests consistency. Bass sounds smoother and deeper than my previous Grado SR60s, mids are liquid and smooth, and highs go way up, without being screechy. Soundstage is a bit lacking, though, as things sound closed-in. Removable cables are good, and I won't be upgrading them anytime soon.

 

Amped, it really depends on what you use. I used the ALO National and Pan Am. The National widens the soundstage by a smidgen, and strengthens everything, making things nicer. Mids sound nicer, and the bass has more thump. Highs smooth out even more. With the Pan Am? Holy ****. I was listening to something choral, and damn near wept. It was the closest I've been to a drug trip. The voices sounded amazingly present, yet never overpowering. Everything sounded as close to perfection as I've ever heard. I'm not sure if this is because if the tubes, or because the Pan Am is just that good.

post #2784 of 3082
This 712 is a keeper after months of telling myself I didn't need it because of owning the HD-800. Some things sound "the best" with this HP: over the 800 and T1. (Go figure!) A real bargain, to say the least.
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This 712 is a keeper after months of telling myself I didn't need it because of owning the HD-800. Some things sound "the best" with this HP: over the 800 and T1. (Go figure!) A real bargain, to say the least.

 

Me too - I never really liked the K701 and K702 but I bought these anyway and they've really clicked with me...  

post #2786 of 3082

I owned the K702, and now have these K712's. Maybe its the little bit of extra body that I'm hearing? 

post #2787 of 3082
To me it seems to be less picky about amping to keep from sounding harsh.
post #2788 of 3082
Anyone with any experience of a cable change on the k712s?
post #2789 of 3082

Is it worth buying if you already got a Q701? I am so damn curious about this one...

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Originally Posted by troymadison View Post
 

Is it worth buying if you already got a Q701? I am so damn curious about this one...


I have both headphones and really find the K712's to be an improvement in almost every single way.  Of course there's a very strong family resemblance between the phones, but with the possible exception of the width of the soundstage, the K712's are superior in every way.  Comfort alone is a strong reason to get the K712's, as they don't have the bumps on the top.  Sonically, the K712's have a deeper bass, although it's not exaggerated in any way.  The upper mid "peakiness" of the Q701 has been greatly tamed, and the overall effect is a much less fatiguing headphone.  A couple of people have commented that the phone is less "lively", but I think it's much smoother and more musical.   I regularly listen to both phones as the Q701's have now made their way into my bedroom setup, but I really find myself getting fatigued with them fairly fast compared to the K712's which I can listen to for hours on end.  Part of it may be the DAC/Amplification.  The K712's are connected to a Schiit stack of Bifrost and Asgard 2, while the Q701's have a FiiO E17/E9 combo.  I've switched them around for comparison, and while the Q701's are better with the Schiit stack than the FiiO, the K712 is just a more pleasant listening experience.  The family resemblance is doubtlessly there, but I'd say as a point of reference that the Q701 is more the tizzy Jan Brady, and the K712 is more the stylish and elegant Marcia Brady of the family.  I suppose that is going to make the K812 the mature and polished Florence Henderson of the line, but I have to confess I haven't heard that phone yet.


Edited by MrPanda - 3/31/14 at 11:54am
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