I trust your ears more than mine. I am probably wrong there and I believe you. I like its bass quantity and can't complain. Overall I prefer the hd650 as a headphone and that is definitely coloring my opinion right now.
I admit i probably posted that hastily..
I just thought I remember the hd650 having more mid bass than this. and this right now sounds more neutral across the bass from mid to sub. Also the lower mids sound recessed to me.
Also with my amp/source its not even fair for me to comment. but while I am building a new set up I figured that I can atleast see if its worth building one around. But certain things I know about it wont change. I am just not feeling the whole far out soundstage with no depth thing and right now I just learned a lesson the hard way by purchasing them.
They have tons of qualities I really like but overall I guess I prefer a dx700 soundstage to an akg k7XX one. Things sound a bit thin for me though compared to the x1 the instruments are larger and more realistic.
I dont know whatever.
The bass on the AKGs can be quite system dependent, it's possible they may not simply be for you. Sounds like you like intimate sounding headphones. I get the feeling you would probably like the K612 more than the K712 going by your complaints of the K712 as the K612 is quite a bit more intimate and has better imaging and depth to it's sound imo.