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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

I trust your ears more than mine. I am probably wrong there and I believe you. I like its bass quantity and can't complain. Overall I prefer the hd650 as a headphone and that is definitely coloring my opinion right now

 

I admit i probably posted that hastily..

 

I just thought I remember the hd650 having more mid bass than this. and this right now sounds more neutral across the bass from mid to sub. Also the lower mids sound recessed to me. 

 

Also with my amp/source its not even fair for me to comment. but while I am building a new set up I figured that I can atleast see if its worth building one around. But certain things I know about it wont change.  I am just not feeling the whole far out soundstage with no depth thing and right now I just learned a lesson the hard way by purchasing them. 

 

They have tons of qualities I really like but overall I guess I prefer a dx700 soundstage to an akg k7XX one. Things sound a bit thin for me though compared to the x1 the instruments are larger and more realistic. 

 

I dont know whatever.


The bass on the AKGs can be quite system dependent, it's possible they may not simply be for you. Sounds like you like intimate sounding headphones. I get the feeling you would probably like the K612 more than the K712 going by your complaints of the K712 as the K612 is quite a bit more intimate and has better imaging and depth to it's sound imo.

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Hello Kman 1211,  your profile says you owned AKG 601. I love so much this hp, could you please make a comparison between 601

and 612 ?

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Originally Posted by ballard3 View Post
 

Hello Kman 1211,  your profile says you owned AKG 601. I love so much this hp, could you please make a comparison between 601

and 612 ?


I haven't owned the K601, but I have heard it before. I found the biggest difference between the two to be the bass, the K612 had a fuller and more present bass and more warmth to it's sound, I believe the soundstage was a little wider as well on the K612 but I am not completely sure.

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

In my experience the K712 has more bass than the HD650.

Whattttttttt D: what did you feed the K712 with to make it bassy? I find the HD650 to be more mid-bass (to be specific ) centric than my Annie although that is based on memory...
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Originally Posted by BillsonChang007 View Post


Whattttttttt D: what did you feed the K712 with to make it bassy? I find the HD650 to be more mid-bass (to be specific ) centric than my Annie although that is based on memory...


The K712 has more bass than the Annies.

post #2541 of 3352
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Originally Posted by BillsonChang007 View Post


Whattttttttt D: what did you feed the K712 with to make it bassy? I find the HD650 to be more mid-bass (to be specific ) centric than my Annie although that is based on memory...

+1 but without having both and going off memory I will leave it alone.

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I expected the HD650 to have a bit more (going off of MY memory of it), but when I sat down and compared them I found the K712 more bassy.

 

HD650 has sort of a dryer kicking bass, whereas the AKGs are a little boomier (although I wouldn't call them "boomy" on their own.)


Edited by chicolom - 1/21/14 at 12:52am
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

I expected the HD650 to have a bit more (going off of MY memory of it), but when I sat down and compared them I found the K712 more bassy.

 

HD650 has sort of a dryer kicking bass, whereas the AKGs are a little boomier (although I wouldn't call them "boomy" on their own.)

maybe because in sheer quantity it is louder. 

 

Here is what makes the hd650 soo amazing. The drums and instruments punch through the mix and dont sound diffuse or non engaging when it is properly driven. This may explain the bass of the k712 being louder but less felt. Overall the hd650 is great with dynamics. A lot of orthos lack this imo and the k712 sounds like an ortho in that regards to me though not as much. 

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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

maybe because in sheer quantity it is louder. 

 

Here is what makes the hd650 soo amazing. The drums and instruments punch through the mix and dont sound diffuse or non engaging when it is properly driven. This may explain the bass of the k712 being louder but less felt. Overall the hd650 is great with dynamics. A lot of orthos lack this imo and the k712 sounds like an ortho in that regards to me though not as much. 

 

I personally found the HD650 to be pretty stale and lifeless.  I was doing direct comparisons with the Q701, Fidelio X1, Hifiman HE-400, and Senn HD598.   The Q701 was fantastic to me, but I found myself swapping with the X1's often, because while I loved the Q701's spacious sound, it was just lacking.  The K712 fills that gap so nicely.  I found that I wasn't missing anything that the X1 offered, and whenever I'd swap with the X1, I found the bass that I loved so much from the X1 to be too unnatural, or overpowering. 

 

K712 vs HD650, matter of preference I'm sure, but the K712 is the clear winner for me. 

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^ what genres do u listen to. That might explain a ton. For drum based music an hip hop, electronic etc the hd650 is cohesive and musical enough to hold the emotion together. That kind of music is less soundstage dependent and more dependent on attack. in my opinion no attack and punch = no life in the music. but ymmv. It also does busy rock songs tons better and is less genre specific.
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I listen to all kinds of music, but they mostly all use real instruments.  I don't listen to hip hop, electronica, etc.  Mostly a lot of acoustic guitars / drums... classic rock, jazz, so on, which definitely benefit from a wider soundstage, which is probably why the Q701/K712 sound so much more appealing to me.  I wanted to like the HD650.  My favorite pair of headphones, before I decided I should probably splurge for better sound, were the lowly $10 Sennheiser HD201's, which I still consider fantastic for the price.  

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That's prob why. I can see the k712 doing a lot of things better including some but not all of the genres u mentioned including female vocals but not male
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I also find the HD650 a bit stale.  It doesn't do anything wrong per say, but I just find it a bit boring to listen to.  I think a lot of that comes from the soundstage being too intimate for my tastes.  Having a large soundstage is crucial for me.

 

I listen to fairly wide variety of music including acoustic genres like jazz and classical as well as a lot of electronic genres.  Soundstage can be very important for electronic music.

post #2549 of 3352
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

I also find the HD650 a bit stale.  It doesn't do anything wrong per say, but I just find it a bit boring to listen to.  I think a lot of that comes from the soundstage being too intimate for my tastes.  Having a large soundstage is crucial for me.

 

I listen to fairly wide variety of music including acoustic genres like jazz and classical as well as a lot of electronic genres.  Soundstage can be very important for electronic music.


I found the HD 650 a bit stale too, but I don't liken it to the more moderate soundstage size as I like very intimate soundstages, very large soundstages, and anything in-between. To me it's as if it was lacking musicality and engagement factor yet I'm not sure as to why considering it's warm nature. It didn't really do anything wrong though except being a bit dull.

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

I also find the HD650 a bit stale.  It doesn't do anything wrong per say, but I just find it a bit boring to listen to.  I think a lot of that comes from the soundstage being too intimate for my tastes.  Having a large soundstage is crucial for me.

 

I listen to fairly wide variety of music including acoustic genres like jazz and classical as well as a lot of electronic genres.  Soundstage can be very important for electronic music.

it is very helpful but not as dependent on it in my experience. 

 

to some people if a headphone is dark and slow it is boring. I have heard this tons of times but whole heartily disagree. I also had it amped by a very powerful amp. but ymmv


Edited by grizzlybeast - 1/21/14 at 4:07pm
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