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post #2491 of 3242
I'm in the process of reading the entire thread, so please forgive me if this was asked before. It probably was and I haven't gotten there, yet:

I own K702 with the bass mod and love them dearly. They're my favorite cans. Naturally, I'm looking at K712 as a possible upgrade. My question is (to those who've heard/owned both), would I be gaining more resolution with the K712? If not, is there a significant advantage over a bass-modded K702, aside from a tonal balance preference? TIA
post #2492 of 3242
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Originally Posted by Shaffer View Post

I'm in the process of reading the entire thread, so please forgive me if this was asked before. It probably was and I haven't gotten there, yet:

I own K702 with the bass mod and love them dearly. They're my favorite cans. Naturally, I'm looking at K712 as a possible upgrade. My question is (to those who've heard/owned both), would I be gaining more resolution with the K712? If not, is there a significant advantage over a bass-modded K702, aside from a tonal balance preference? TIA

In my opinion, the differences between the K702 and K712 are not significant enough for the purchase to be considered an upgrade.

post #2493 of 3242
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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post
 

In my opinion, the differences between the K702 and K712 are not significant enough for the purchase to be considered an upgrade.

better bass, more musical tonal balance, comfort(lack of bumps) memory foam, sounds like an upgrade to me.

 

I just purchased these and am excited about them... I hope they do well.

post #2494 of 3242

I thought the Q701 to the Annie was quite the upgrade

post #2495 of 3242
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

better bass, more musical tonal balance, comfort(lack of bumps) memory foam, sounds like an upgrade to me.

 

I just purchased these and am excited about them... I hope they do well.

Just to have some context, I've owned several versions of these cans and have loved every single one of them. In the very narrow scope of the K701/702/Q701/702AE/712, then maybe you can eek out an, "Ehh, it's better, but negligible at best." Expand the scope to the hobby as a whole, definite not.

 

Buy some K702AE/K712 pads for your K702 and be happy you have two signatures and saves a decent amount of money.

post #2496 of 3242
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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post
 

Just to have some context, I've owned several versions of these cans and have loved every single one of them. In the very narrow scope of the K701/702/Q701/702AE/712, then maybe you can eek out an, "Ehh, it's better, but negligible at best." Expand the scope to the hobby as a whole, definite not.

 

Buy some K702AE/K712 pads for your K702 and be happy you have two signatures and saves a decent amount of money.

I understand your perspective but tiny increments of improvement can mean a world of difference in audio equipment. After all 90 percent of the headphones out there can satisfy us if we had not heard any other options and diminishing return kicks in when we upgrade anyway. It is all subjective really. 

 

IE i don't find the he500 to be a HUGE upgrade from the he400 in technicalities,  but me hearing the better mids and tonal balance and slight improvement of smoothness of the 500, I find it to be a notable upgrade and intact consider it a big upgrade because of how much the things missing in the he400 bother me.

 

It all depends on how picky you are about what bothers you and in your case those differences are negligible. For me I would never touch any of the previous akg k or q models because of how I hear them described. I would read about them and wished/begged for the minor touch ups of bass and mids to be made for me to consider them..... 

 

Same exact reasons I consider the akg k545 an upgrade to the k550 because it graded UP to my standards. 

 

plus the pads won't help the mids out


Edited by grizzlybeast - 1/12/14 at 4:33pm
post #2497 of 3242
Thank you for the kind advice, guys. I'll start looking for K712 pads. Sounds like fun. biggrin.gif
post #2498 of 3242

if you already modded your K702 with bass boost and loved it,

buying a K712 will prob not be an upgrade.

I have the feeling you will find K712 too warm.

best suggestion is to buy the memory pads and use them when you want to.

 

Note this. for some people, they prefer modded Q701/K701/K702 over K702.65/K712.

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I heard these were hard to power but they are 62 ohms, a lot easier than an hd650 which is 300 ohms

post #2500 of 3242
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

I heard these were hard to power but they are 62 ohms, a lot easier than an hd650 which is 300 ohms

I wouldn't claim it to be hard, but I would say they are deceiving, for sure. They definitely require more power to reach decibel levels that an HD 600 or HD 700 can reach and, even then, it may not be a quality signature coming out of it. Basically, don't skimp on an amp and look for something with the right synergy.

post #2501 of 3242
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

I heard these were hard to power but they are 62 ohms, a lot easier than an hd650 which is 300 ohms

 

Don't forget about the sensitivity ;) 

 

Edit : Lower on HD650 too , so yeah HD650 is harder do drive :tongue:


Edited by HaVoC-28 - 1/12/14 at 5:07pm
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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post
 

I wouldn't claim it to be hard, but I would say they are deceiving, for sure. They definitely require more power to reach decibel levels that an HD 600 or HD 700 can reach and, even then, it may not be a quality signature coming out of it. Basically, don't skimp on an amp and look for something with the right synergy.

 

 

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Originally Posted by HaVoC-28 View Post
 

 

Don't forget about the sensitivity ;) 

 

Edit : Lower on HD650 too , so yeah HD650 is harder do drive :tongue:

all i will be having for the moment is the fiio x3 until i get a desktop set up which won't be for a minute as I  have decided to start over. i should do okay for now. 


Edited by grizzlybeast - 1/12/14 at 6:11pm
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

I heard these were hard to power but they are 62 ohms, a lot easier than an hd650 which is 300 ohms

I can drive it straight out of my iPhone but it just won't sound right :)

 

 

PS: thanks for the PM! xD

post #2504 of 3242

I think the best assessment between the older K701/K702 and K712/Annie is not that the newer ones does more better (As in detail, resolution, etc.) but that they do less wrong IMO.  The older phones are immensely capable in some areas but also have some deep, stinging flaws; whereas the newer ones are more balanced overall and less frustrating than the older ones, without losing the trademark detail, resolution, and soundstage.  It is still slightly limited at high listening levels due to low power handling, but this is slightly offset by the increase in efficiency so it's less of a problem.

 

I find the K712 to still scale well with better gear like the older ones also.  As mentioned earlier, they still do benefit from a solidly powerful amp.  But they should still fit better with something like a Magni or O2 than the Older 7 series would.  I'd be especially curious of the Vali with it for a budget setup, judging from some of the impressions I've read.

 

 

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 Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

I heard these were hard to power but they are 62 ohms, a lot easier than an hd650 which is 300 ohms

 

 

It depends.  Technically, 300 ohms requires less current to drive and only needs more voltage gain so they are easily driven by OTL tubes and amps will smaller spec power supplies that can't supply the current to double down power into lower impedances given the voltage.  Given a theoretically "perfect" current source, then only the voltage would determine the power.  However, larger power supplies to deliver more clean current are typically more expensive to build.


Edited by JWahl - 1/13/14 at 2:30pm
post #2505 of 3242

We can supply the replacement memory foam earpads for the K712's. (5021871)

These are £38.65 inc vat each. (plus post)

 

Please let me know if you would like to order this part?

 

http://www.electronicmusicservices.co.uk/

 

Probably not the first person to say this but they're having a laugh aren't they, maybe £38 for a pair would be reasonable. Could buy a memory foam mattress for 80 quid!! Well  it seems my Ultrasone's will be getting another airing - they give you two pairs of pads and two cables, now that's service for you.    

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