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@Evshrug I agree with you, and I know of two such devices for HDMI audio. One of them is Essence HDACC, but it can only decode HDMI uncompressed stereo only. Here's a link from Digital Audio Review:

http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2013/11/essence-hi-def-dac-w-hdmi-input-for-699/

Microsoft kinda did state that they would re-implememt Dolby D or some sort of alternative for legacy TOSLINK devices, but I would like to see a HDMI receiver that can process uncompressed HDMI 5.1, and play this through headphones.
I'm sure either Microsoft or a third party will do their own version, but without competition or, possibly, no demand, I may be out of luck.

I'm not sure if the LX versions of the HiFi-M8 would work with the Xbox One, so if anyone has that combo can they report back? I might then invest in a FiiO for my Xbox One for better audio, or just stick bypassing the processor in my EarForce DSS v1.

I'm also waiting on Polk's Xbox headphones (the 4 Shot for my Xbox One) and see if that has anything special, especially in terms of sound processing (if at all), but otherwise I'll get the upcoming AntLion MidMic 4.0 mic and attach that to any of my headphones.
http://www.modmic.com/blogs/news/11157241-major-4-0-update-and-stock-info

I do own the Custom Headset Gear for my Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro headphones, but cannot find a suitable way to deploy them in either my Xbox systems without a mess. frown.gif

Anyway, still enjoying my AKG K712 headphones with my CEntrance HiFiM8 4XL, playing lossless albums from artists such as Nine Inch Nails, Massive Attack, Gesaffelstein, Aphex Twin, and Symphonic Fantasies Tokyo live CD (I own the normal version too!).

I bet the AKG K812 will sound killer, but I'd rather invest that money into the Audeze LCD-XC or LCD-X, to have a great planar (or, as I said earlier, if budget constraints are such I can't afford an Audeze, Mr Speakers Alpha Dogs are a great alternative.).

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Edited by TheOneInYellow - 1/9/14 at 1:31pm
post #2477 of 3591

Will be extremely interested if someone can compare the K712 and MD3.2! I'm planning to settle with only one open and closed heaphone. My Annie will for sure be my open headphone but the closed headphone... :( 

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Originally Posted by atoff View Post

Thanks, I'll definitely have a read through your thread.  

No XBONE here though, you may be confusing me with someone else.  wink.gif   I have only the PS4 at the moment.  I didn't know about it having 3D virtual surround built in though... I'll have to have a look into that!
I did order the DSSv1 yesterday, but wanted to do some more reading to see if there was anything better for me than the SBZ.  I'd hate to have to return it if it doesn't work out... I think after all of the headphones I just returned to Amazon, I'm wearing out my welcome.  
Ah sorry, I kinda merged you and TheOneInYellow, meant to reply to each of you in turn.

PS4 has AMD's TrueAudio dedicated processor integrated into the graphics card of that console, but to get 3D surround (FWIR) the game has to be coded to take advantage of that feature. 3D surround has been done in the past, very effectively actually, but a developer won't bother to add it unless there is a large number of users with the right equipment and demand... it turns into a kind of chicken and egg scenario, but the fact that Sony took a chance and it's going to be available in every PS4 is awesome and gives me great hope. Microsoft's console has a dedicated audio processor too, I think they called it Sphere or something, but I don't know much about it other than it doesn't take resources from the CPU, and haven't heard about it offering any special headphone perks. I honestly think that it could be a significant feature advantage if PS4 games start taking advantage of it. I did link a demo in my thread.
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Originally Posted by TheOneInYellow View Post

@Evshrug I agree with you, and I know of two such devices for HDMI audio. One of them is Essence HDACC, but it can only decode HDMI uncompressed stereo only. Here's a link from Digital Audio Review:

http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2013/11/essence-hi-def-dac-w-hdmi-input-for-699/
I'll look into this, might be more practical than what I was suggesting, which was literally an integrated receiver like a Yamaha or Marantz you would get to power speakers and stuff. Stuff, in this case, being headphones, and some receivers do offer virtual surround processing. I had a good time using my Yamaha for virtual surround with my former AD700 while playing Skyrim on my xbox360, connected via HDMI. I could use the same setup with an XBOne... but I'm much more interested in the PS4, to the point where I'd VOTE for a PS4 and not buy an XBOne, at least in it's current state and with the XBO development philosophies.


Microsoft kinda did state that they would re-implememt Dolby D or some sort of alternative for legacy TOSLINK devices, but I would like to see a HDMI receiver that can process uncompressed HDMI 5.1, and play this through headphones.
I'm sure either Microsoft or a third party will do their own version, but without competition or, possibly, no demand, I may be out of luck.
I'm pretty sure the traffic through this thread alone represents a significant amount of demand. It will only become more popular, it's already a must-have for many of us here.

I'm not sure if the LX versions of the HiFi-M8 ...
I'm not familiar with this product, sorry...

I'm also waiting on Polk's Xbox headphones (the 4 Shot for my Xbox One) and see if that has anything special, especially in terms of sound processing (if at all), but otherwise I'll get the upcoming AntLion MidMic 4.0 mic and attach that to any of my headphones.
http://www.modmic.com/blogs/news/11157241-major-4-0-update-and-stock-info

I do own the Custom Headset Gear for my Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro headphones, but cannot find a suitable way to deploy them in either my Xbox systems without a mess. frown.gif

Anyway, still enjoying my AKG K712 headphones with my CEntrance HiFiM8 4XL, playing lossless albums from artists such as Nine Inch Nails, Massive Attack, Gesaffelstein, Aphex Twin, and Symphonic Fantasies Tokyo live CD (I own the normal version too!).

I bet the AKG K812 will sound killer, but I'd rather invest that money into the Audeze LCD-XC or LCD-X, to have a great planar (or, as I said earlier, if budget constraints are such I can't afford an Audeze, Mr Speakers Alpha Dogs are a great alternative.).

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I really enjoy my Polk speakers, and I feel like I got a bargain, but I don't know what those headphones will be like. If they get Dolby Headphone processing, then they will at least be on par with last-gen, but I feel 3D headphone surround (that you can choose to use with any headphone) will truly be next-gen.
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Originally Posted by BillsonChang007 View Post

Will be extremely interested if someone can compare the K712 and MD3.2! I'm planning to settle with only one open and closed heaphone. My Annie will for sure be my open headphone but the closed headphone... frown.gif 
K712 is semi-open, just like the Annies, meaning they're just like open headphones except they leak sound out just a little less. Mad used and reviewed both the Annies and Mad Dog 3.2, I suggest reading those reviews as the K712 is hardly different sounding from the Annies.
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Yep... Just had a look at his gaming guide:

 

"Vs. K702 Anniversary: The Annie is more open, with a much bigger sense of space, superior soundstage, positional cues, and clarity. The K702 Annie is the only headphone I have reviewed that I honestly can't find one flaw in whatsoever. Not the best at any one thing, but great at basically everything. The Mad Dogs aren't as well rounded as the Annie, but I do find them more enjoyable for my preferred genres of music. I do think the K702 Anniversary is a better headphone overall, however if you favor a bit more bass and don't mind a closed presentation, the Mad Dogs make quite a viable alternative."

 

So the Annie is basically more open and MD is more bassy and closed. 

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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post


Ah sorry, I kinda merged you and TheOneInYellow, meant to reply to each of you in turn.

PS4 has AMD's TrueAudio dedicated processor integrated into the graphics card of that console, but to get 3D surround (FWIR) the game has to be coded to take advantage of that feature. 3D surround has been done in the past, very effectively actually, but a developer won't bother to add it unless there is a large number of users with the right equipment and demand... it turns into a kind of chicken and egg scenario, but the fact that Sony took a chance and it's going to be available in every PS4 is awesome and gives me great hope. Microsoft's console has a dedicated audio processor too, I think they called it Sphere or something, but I don't know much about it other than it doesn't take resources from the CPU, and haven't heard about it offering any special headphone perks. I honestly think that it could be a significant feature advantage if PS4 games start taking advantage of it. I did link a demo in my thread.
 

 

I just read through your "If I knew Now" post... good read!  Definitely looking forward to them making use of that!  They're supposed to be revealing the 3D virtual reality headset this year too, so lots of good things to come, hopefully!  I'm still unsure whether to go with the SBZ or TiHD for movies.  I don't play games on my PC, so I'd just be looking for the best surround experience for movies through my PC.  TiHD has THX, whilst SBZ has SBX which is supposed to be a rebadged THX?  Unfortunately, all of the youtube comparisons and all threads I find are related to gaming... nothing comparing them for movie watching.  I did hear a THX demo on youtube and thought that sounded great.  But I should probably post in your thread, since I'm taking this one off track.  Sorry about that.  Yay K712Pro. :D  There...back on track.

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K712 Pro, huzzah!

When I posted my big multi-quote, er, post, I thought this was in MLE's thread.
Edited by Evshrug - 1/10/14 at 7:25pm
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

K712 Pro, huzzah!

When I posted my big multi-quote, er, post, I thought this was in MLE's thread.

lol Evs!!! > We'll all be reading it anyways.

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How much of the beautiful tone and punch of the hd650 will i lose if reaching for the k712, the hd650 is a genre master and plays even hip hop and dub step right, it does amazing with worship music or rock. Even though its soundstage is smaller it handles busy songs extremely well and the drums smack even though it is said to sound slow.... How does the k712 fair in those areas(punch, dynamics,tones, handling of busy songs,genre limitation) and which has more transparency?...

I know there will be fanboy opinions but historically the hd650, despite its veiled moniker, is super transparent despite its weak highs and even more transparent with better timbers than the q701.

 

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Originally Posted by BillsonChang007 View Post
 

Will be extremely interested if someone can compare the K712 and MD3.2! I'm planning to settle with only one open and closed heaphone. My Annie will for sure be my open headphone but the closed headphone... :( 

fwiw the zmf modded fostex imo sounds a lot more organic than the MD


Edited by grizzlybeast - 1/11/14 at 9:07am
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fwiw the zmf modded fostex imo sounds a lot more organic than the MD

You mean all Fostex mod sound different? @.@

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Originally Posted by BillsonChang007 View Post
 

You mean all Fostex mod sound different? @.@

I have had a couple fostex modd variations. and yes they sounded like whole different headphones with traces of the same qualities because of the driver limitations... 

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So I guess I will forget about MD then ._. So much complication!
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Originally Posted by BillsonChang007 View Post

So I guess I will forget about MD then ._. So much complication!

huh?why.. you like the k550 a lot and I don't so I would think you like the MD 3.2 they have similarities. the MD being less bright. I don't like the MD 3.1 because it doesn't have the mids I like and i prefer the k550 to it by a whole lot though they have similar mids. 

 

I know we are off topic but it is just that the fostex t50 in stock form has a gem of a driver so MR. Speakers, Zach (zmf mod), LFF, Blue Monkey flyer and others have modded it to tap its potential. Mr.Speakers MD 3.2 is the most popular but said to be bested by the Paradox which costs tons more...and I think the ZMF modds still keeps its magical mids and is one of the best closed hp's I have had to date if not the best sounding.

 

The ZMF won't have the soundstage width of the akg k712 and don't sound open... but are more euphonic and full than an akg k550.

 

well I will leave it alone but just incase you were curious... sorry for the overkill.

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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

huh?why.. you like the k550 a lot and I don't so I would think you like the MD 3.2 they have similarities. the MD being less bright. I don't like the MD 3.1 because it doesn't have the mids I like and i prefer the k550 to it by a whole lot though they have similar mids

 

I know we are off topic but it is just that the fostex t50 in stock form has a gem of a driver so MR. Speakers, Zach (zmf mod), LFF, Blue Monkey flyer and others have modded it to tap its potential. Mr.Speakers MD 3.2 is the most popular but said to be bested by the Paradox which costs tons more...and I think the ZMF modds still keeps its magical mids and is one of the best closed hp's I have had to date if not the best sounding.

 

The ZMF won't have the soundstage width of the akg k712 and don't sound open... but are more euphonic and full than an akg k550.

 

well I will leave it alone but just incase you were curious... sorry for the overkill.

So which mod and whose's are basically the best? Mr. Speakers are selling it at $300  :blink: 

 

Yeap.. I was really close to purchase the K550 lots of time but given I already have a AKG, I do not need another pair of AKG xD

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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

^sent you a public message.

3.2 is just Dan's latest model and how he chose to label his. a Mayflower wouldn't be the same or dated because it has a dif number. 

 

The Mad Dog 3.2 should be a good headphone but I really like the ZMF Modd a lot. 

 

3 hp's I want are the akg k712, ZMF modded fostex, and a th-600. all do different things well. of those three I can only officially vouch for the ZMF mod.

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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

3.2 is just Dan's latest model and how he chose to label his. a Mayflower wouldn't be the same or dated because it has a dif number. 

The Mad Dog 3.2 should be a good headphone but I really like the ZMF Modd a lot. 

3 hp's I want are the akg k712, ZMF modded fostex, and a th-600. all do different things well. of those three I can only officially vouch for the ZMF mod.

I think I'll have to give that ZMF mod a try then.
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