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post #2446 of 3051
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Originally Posted by Katun View Post
 

 

Oh, it'll hold. I've returned many more than 5 pairs of headphones... although, I'd spread them out a bit better in the future and give them other means of business. ;)

Besides, Amazon is knocking out smaller businesses left and right. They're obligated to give buyers the benefit of the doubt, and deserve the fallout of returns.

 

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the two when you have them both. I'm certain you'll appreciate the added benefits the K712 brings to the table. I'm banking on you'll like the sound better too!

BTW, I think the Annie is much more comfortable than the X1, but think the X1 beats the Q701 in that same regard. Personally for sound, I'd say: Annie > Q701 >>> X1

 

Glad the hear that... at this rate I could have purchased the much praised HD800.  :D  After testing the different pairs, I'm very impressed by the budget Q701, I'm really looking forward to the K712.  I'll have them Tuesday thanks to Prime... will definitely post back with impressions.  

 

I love the material of the X1's cushions... I'm hoping the K712's or Annie's have a similar feel to them.   I wasn't floored by the sound, the Q701's definitely sound better to me.  I mean, they do sound great... really nice in fact... but just muffled, more like closed back.  The bass seemed to muddy it up a bit too.  But I continue to like them.  I tested the HD650 too... wasn't impressed.  For $415, they're going back.  

post #2447 of 3051
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Originally Posted by Katun View Post

 

Oh, it'll hold. I've returned many more than 5 pairs of headphones... although, I'd spread them out a bit better in the future and give them other means of business. " src="http://files.head-fi.org/images/smilies/wink.gif">

Besides, Amazon is knocking out smaller businesses left and right. They're obligated to give buyers the benefit of the doubt, and deserve the fallout of returns.

 

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the two when you have them both. I'm certain you'll appreciate the added benefits the K712 brings to the table. I'm banking on you'll like the sound better too!

BTW, I think the Annie is much more comfortable than the X1, but think the X1 beats the Q701 in that same regard. Personally for sound, I'd say: Annie > Q701 >>> X1

 



Good to know you prefer the Annie to the X1. I almost got the X1 but then stretched my budget to the K712 when I was able to get it for $385. I wish I could hear the Annie again on my current Soloist amp. When I had them I drove them with an Audio-GD SA-31 so it's hard to tell if the K712 is really that much better or just the amp. I'm guessing the latter. But the sound with Soloist + K712 is much better to my ears than SA-31 + Annie.
post #2448 of 3051

Does the K712 have less clamping pressure than the Q701?  The Q701 clamping pressure is a little too high for me.

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Originally Posted by Rumrunner View Post
 

Does the K712 have less clamping pressure than the Q701?  The Q701 clamping pressure is a little too high for me.

 

It would probably be the same, however the pads are softer.

 

However, Katun mentioned that his new Chinese Q701 seemed like it hard stronger clamp than his old Austrian one (K712 is also made in Austria), so there's that.  I don't know if the Chinese ones have stronger clamp or not (and there's only a small amount of anecdotal evidence so far), but it's possible.

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

 

It would probably be the same, however the pads are softer.

 

However, Katun mentioned that his new Chinese Q701 seemed like it hard stronger clamp than his old Austrian one (K712 is also made in Austria), so there's that.  I don't know if the Chinese ones have stronger clamp or not (and there's only a small amount of anecdotal evidence so far), but it's possible.

 

I even had some friends over and let them try out my Q701, and interestingly enough, all had mentioned that it felt too small and was too tight... and I had the biggest head of the bunch! A few of them had been over previously back when I had my other Q701s, and they hadn't mentioned anything then. While the possible extra clamp is a part of the issue, the biggest issue that I'm absolutely positive it has over the Austrian version is the range of the headband stretch (which may be causing the extra clamp). Imagine the normal Q701 with shorter elastics or something, so in placing them on your head, they don't sit low enough to even encompass your ear. The more you pull, the more uncomfortable it feels. I had a similar experience with the X1, as the headband didn't seem to flex enough to allow a fully seated fit, except the Chinese Q701 is worse. This makes the K712 and Annie seem like a no-brainer over the Q701 now, even though they're twice the price.

 

I just don't like what they've done. Imagine any headphone you enjoy getting outsourced to another country. So they come back on the market, seemingly the same, but instead of having 10 clicks for full extension on the headband adjustment, they now have 6. What happens to all the users that used 7, 8, 9, and 10? Tough luck I guess. Not that it matters, the Q701's comfort wasn't anything special anyway, regardless of where it's manufactured. All this accomplishes is to make the K712 and Annie that much more appealing... (not to mention they sound better).


Edited by Katun - 1/5/14 at 4:16pm
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So I'm a little confused... the K712's don't in fact have memory foam pads, but rather gel pads?  I was kind of hoping they'd be soft and cushiony, but with gel pads I'd imagine they'd be much firmer.  

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They do have memory foam, not gel. There have been some 3rd party vendors selling "gel pads" but there is speculation whether it's actually gel or not. The Annie and K712 have very soft velour with memory foam, and the Q701 and below have a rougher velour with harder/cheaper foam. When I had my Annie's, the pad difference was pretty significant compared to any of my Q701s. That alone aided the comfort quite a bit, not to mention the awesome new headband, and less perceivable clamp.

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Originally Posted by Katun View Post
 

They do have memory foam, not gel. There have been some 3rd party vendors selling "gel pads" but there is speculation whether it's actually gel or not. The Annie and K712 have very soft velour with memory foam, and the Q701 and below have a rougher velour with harder/cheaper foam. When I had my Annie's, the pad difference was pretty significant compared to any of my Q701s. That alone aided the comfort quite a bit, not to mention the awesome new headband, and less perceivable clamp.

 

Oh, okay, perfect, thanks... can't wait to give them a try tomorrow.  

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I know this sounds odds, but i PREFER the comfort on the harder Q701/K701/2 pads over the Annie pads. yes, they are firm, but they breathe a LOT more than the memory foam pads. It's actually one of my fave velour pads, outside of the Hifiman HE-4 and Shure 1540 alcantara, and 1840 velour pads. Skullcandy SLYR velour pads, while small feel amazing as well.
post #2455 of 3051
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I know this sounds odds, but i PREFER the comfort on the harder Q701/K701/2 pads over the Annie pads. yes, they are firm, but they breathe a LOT more than the memory foam pads. It's actually one of my fave velour pads, outside of the Hifiman HE-4 and Shure 1540 alcantara, and 1840 velour pads. Skullcandy SLYR velour pads, while small feel amazing as well.

 



Yeah the pads on the 712 are a little warm for my tastes, the K501 pads are the best I have ever felt, but they have the downside of leaking a bit more than most alternatives.
post #2456 of 3051

Just received the K712's.  I put away the Q701... it's going back.  The difference in sound was fairly subtle at first, back a bit of back and forth, and I realized it was clearly warmer.  The cushions are SOMEWHAT more comfortable.  I wouldn't say it's night and day, but it did make enough of a difference to not want to put on the Q701 anymore.  For $175 more, it's a little hard to swallow, but I know if I don't return the Q701 and keep these 712's I'm just going to have it in the back of my head that I settled.  

 

I also tried the Hifiman HE-400, and have to say it sounds fantastic with music... but a let down when I turned on the virtual surround.  I couldn't get it to sound right at all.  I so want to keep it for how great it sounds with music...all music.  Rock especially.  

 

Comparing the K712 with the Fidelio X1... I am seriously on the fence.  The K712 sounds great... but man, I keep going back to the X1... it really is a fun sound.  Movies sound just amazing with the X1, music sounds great.  I'm torn.  I'll probably end up keeping both, which I really don't want to do... total would have been $630 spent between the two. 

 

Tough tough decision.  What say you all... keep the X1 as well?

 

Edit: Yeah, I'm keeping the X1... they're just too cool.  Shame about the cushions not being replaceable.  Now I just need to decide if it's worth keeping the K712's as well.  More testing.


Edited by atoff - 1/6/14 at 8:24pm
post #2457 of 3051
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Originally Posted by atoff View Post
 

Just received the K712's.  I put away the Q701... it's going back.  The difference in sound was fairly subtle at first, back a bit of back and forth, and I realized it was clearly warmer.  The cushions are SOMEWHAT more comfortable.  I wouldn't say it's night and day, but it did make enough of a difference to not want to put on the Q701 anymore.  For $175 more, it's a little hard to swallow, but I know if I don't return the Q701 and keep these 712's I'm just going to have it in the back of my head that I settled.  

 

I also tried the Hifiman HE-400, and have to say it sounds fantastic with music... but a let down when I turned on the virtual surround.  I couldn't get it to sound right at all.  I so want to keep it for how great it sounds with music...all music.  Rock especially.  

 

Comparing the K712 with the Fidelio X1... I am seriously on the fence.  The K712 sounds great... but man, I keep going back to the X1... it really is a fun sound.  Movies sound just amazing with the X1, music sounds great.  I'm torn.  I'll probably end up keeping both, which I really don't want to do... total would have been $630 spent between the two. 

 

Tough tough decision.  What say you all... keep the X1 as well?

 

Edit: Yeah, I'm keeping the X1... they're just too cool.  Shame about the cushions not being replaceable.  Now I just need to decide if it's worth keeping the K712's as well.  More testing.

The AKG K712 for musics. X1 for movies and gaming. I honestly much, much prefer the AKG Annie over the X1! X1 just sound pure bass and vocals to me. but it's your choice, that's just my opinion :D

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The X1's have their place.  They do sound a little muffled to me... but that's just the bass overwhelming the music a bit, they're actually quite clear and accurate... but a many song and movie make very good use of that deep, rumbly bass!! :D  

Absolutely fantastic for those epic movies with thunder, lightning, explosions, etc.  And great for some music too.  Especially through virtual surround, or using something like TB Isone.  Excellent stuff. 

 

However, you're right, I can't go wrong with the K712's...so will be keeping those too.  :(   Listening to LES PRIMITIFS DU FUTUR: C'EST LA GOUTTE D' OR QUI FAIT DEBORDER (The Rough Guide to Music from France). Does very good with this kind of music. 

 

 
SIRIPORN AUMPIAPONG : RANG JAI RAI WAN  (The Rough Guide to The Music of Thailand) - K712, just epic with this one!  Playing through JRiver with their effects enabled.  Super clarity.  Dac / Amp is Schiit Modi + Vali.  My odd taste of music is pure boredom.  I'm incredibly bored of music, so I'm stretching to world music as best I can.  Love it.

Edited by atoff - 1/6/14 at 11:33pm
post #2459 of 3051
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Originally Posted by atoff View Post
 

The X1's have their place.  They do sound a little muffled to me... but that's just the bass overwhelming the music a bit, they're actually quite clear and accurate... but a many song and movie make very good use of that deep, rumbly bass!! :D  

Absolutely fantastic for those epic movies with thunder, lightning, explosions, etc.  And great for some music too.  Especially through virtual surround, or using something like TB Isone.  Excellent stuff. 

 

However, you're right, I can't go wrong with the K712's...so will be keeping those too.  :(   Listening to LES PRIMITIFS DU FUTUR: C'EST LA GOUTTE D' OR QUI FAIT DEBORDER (The Rough Guide to Music from France). Does very good with this kind of music. 

 

 
SIRIPORN AUMPIAPONG : RANG JAI RAI WAN  (The Rough Guide to The Music of Thailand) - K712, just epic with this one!  Playing through JRiver with their effects enabled.  Super clarity.  Dac / Amp is Schiit Modi + Vali.  My odd taste of music is pure boredom.  I'm incredibly bored of music, so I'm stretching to world music as best I can.  Love it.

The AKG Annie/K712 sound great with almost all genres of music but does nothing perfect. They are not designed for a certain genre of music like how a shoe is designed to fit into your feet. xD

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You can't go wrong with either the K712 or the X1.  Both fantastic headphones, and deciding between them would be tough.

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