Originally Posted by elwappo99
I don't think it's fair to suggest the k712 is superior to the q701. They use the same driver so you're not getting much of a drastic difference either way. I think most people would prefer the K712 because most newer people in headphones have the mentality 'more bass' is better. Q701 is more articulate and will give more details. It easily scales better with my higher end equipment.
Thanks for pointing out that I ought to clarify: I said "perfected" in the sense that AKG was working with the same design and re-tuned it to address what people most commonly critiqued about the Q701, not created a new headphone from scratch. In the world of diminishing returns, yeah it's not a sea change from the high-value Q701, BUT the tweaks made to comfort, convenience, and sound character (and looks) will add up to being worth the price difference for a fair number of people. Some people, it won't be worth it, and to those people I say buy a Q701 (which is more readily available around $220-$230, quoting one rare lucky used price is not a good bar to set an expectation at vs a "still shrink wrapped" K712) before AKG stops making them or they cheapen their production cost (beyond moving manufacturing to China).
I haven't missed any details between K712 and Q701, and they both scale well... In a technical sense they're on the same level, with a tweak to their character, á la HD650 vs HD600 or DT990 vs DT880. I haven't heard those other manufacturer's models though, I suspect the Q & K models are closer than the other manufacturer's.
I think if you take in the whole spirit of my previous post, you'll see we are saying much of the same thing.