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post #2176 of 3355
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

Anyone read the Headfonics review? It's very good:

http://headfonics.com/2013/10/the-k712-pro-by-akg/3/

I don't really disagree with any of it that I saw. Just the part about the changes in bass between gain settings and that it's "unpicky" with amps.

(hopefully that link is allowed or else mods can delete it)

The K712 has been satisfying for me on a wider range of amps, so I would agree with that part of the review.
post #2177 of 3355
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post
 

Chico, did you ever open a thread with that review, BTW?

 

No, but I think I will go ahead and make one. 

 

I was sort of holding off just because you can pretty much some up all the differences in a paragraph.  But for those people who want the more in-depth nitty gritty stuff I can post those my lengthier descriptions to accommodate them.

 

Also, do you  (or anyone esle) think it's redundant to post a thread for a review and then also post it in the "reviews" section of a product?  I noticed that Head-fi lets you post "Reviews" know and the review then gets tagged to the product and also shows up under your profile as a review. 

 

Would it be redundant to post a review in both places (a thread and the tagged review)?  I like actual threads because it's much easier to discuss things, but it's also seems nice to have the review that easier to find and is linked from the actual product and the user and what-not...

 

 

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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

The K712 has been satisfying for me on a wider range of amps, so I would agree with that part of the review.

 

I imagine that part of the reason the K712 could be considered "less picky" about amps is simply because it's a bit warmer and fuller out-of-the-box.  People traditionally complain that the Q701 can sound too thin/bass-light/bright off some (probably neutral) amps and that you needed to search for an amp that would make them sound warmer/bassier/whatever.  With the K712 though, it's easier to make them reach that "potential" due to them already sounding that way out of the box.


Edited by chicolom - 10/23/13 at 7:01pm
post #2178 of 3355
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

No, but I think I will go ahead and make one. 

 

I was sort of holding off just because you can pretty much some up all the differences in a paragraph.  But for those people who want the more in-depth nitty gritty stuff I can post those my lengthier descriptions to accommodate them.

 

Also, do you  (or anyone esle) think it's redundant to post a thread for a review and then also post it in the "reviews" section of a product?  I noticed that Head-fi lets you post "Reviews" know and the review then gets tagged to the product and also shows up under your profile as a review. 

 

Would it be redundant to post a review in both places (a thread and the tagged review)?  I like actual threads because it's much easier to discuss things, but it's also seems nice to have the review that easier to find and is linked from the actual product and the user and what-not...

 

 

 

I imagine that part of the reason the K712 could be considered "less picky" about amps is simply because it's a bit warmer and fuller out-of-the-box.  People traditionally complain that the Q701 can sound too thin/bass-light/bright off some (probably neutral) amps and that you needed to search for an amp that would make them sound warmer/bassier/whatever.  With the K712 though, it's easier to make them reach that "potential" due to them already sounding that way out of the box.

 

+1

post #2179 of 3355
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

No, but I think I will go ahead and make one.

 

I was sort of holding off just because you can pretty much some up all the differences in a paragraph.  But for those people who want the more in-depth nitty gritty stuff I can post those my lengthier descriptions to accommodate them.

 

Also, do you  (or anyone esle) think it's redundant to post a thread for a review and then also post it in the "reviews" section of a product?  I noticed that Head-fi lets you post "Reviews" know and the review then gets tagged to the product and also shows up under your profile as a review.

 

Would it be redundant to post a review in both places (a thread and the tagged review)?  I like actual threads because it's much easier to discuss things, but it's also seems nice to have the review that easier to find and is linked from the actual product and the user and what-not...

 

Honestly, I think you should do both.

 

The product review would be great for giving the K712 some publicity. And if it's good enough it might just get featured on the front page...

 

Same thing goes for opening a thread. And with that thread, people can have a deep discussion about the comparisons rather than flooding the comments section in the official product review.

 

So, to me, it would not be redundant at all...

post #2180 of 3355
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

 

The Audio-GD is a pretty dead neutral line. I've had a handful of their amps. Part of what you're experiencing might be the treble tilt of the Soloist. I shudder to think of a HD800 paired with the soloist. 

 

Funny, I got the Soloist because at a meet I really liked the Soloist SL with the HD800 when compared to the SA-31, Mjolnir/Gungnir, V200, and a WA22, though the V200 would have been my second pick.  Now that Schiit stack with the HD800....that's a painful combo to my ears.  Great with LCD series though.  There was just something about the soundstage presentation and texture of the Soloist/HD800 that sold me  I think I'm just less sensitive to the 6khz peak of HD800 and more sensitive to 2-3khz and 10-12khz.  And clearly, I think the Soloist synergizes well with the K712 but can still be a little aggressive without eq.  I've also started using crossfeed with the K712 which is preferred to my taste.  Great positional imaging with it engaged.  Without it some sounds almost seem to come from rear which isn't entirely natural.  Love to hear the Annies again on the Soloist as a sanity check though.

 

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Originally Posted by ComradeDylie View Post


Damn so I gotta ditch my annies? And get k712? The comfort is in another world so I was keeping them for computer use mainly, even though ive got other phones I enjoy more for music.

Hard to say.  Like I said, it could just be my current amp bringing out the sparkle more.

post #2181 of 3355
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Originally Posted by JWahl View Post
 

 

Funny, I got the Soloist because at a meet I really liked the Soloist SL with the HD800 when compared to the SA-31, Mjolnir/Gungnir, V200, and a WA22, though the V200 would have been my second pick.  Now that Schiit stack with the HD800....that's a painful combo to my ears.  Great with LCD series though.  There was just something about the soundstage presentation and texture of the Soloist/HD800 that sold me  I think I'm just less sensitive to the 6khz peak of HD800 and more sensitive to 2-3khz and 10-12khz.  And clearly, I think the Soloist synergizes well with the K712 but can still be a little aggressive without eq.  I've also started using crossfeed with the K712 which is preferred to my taste.  Great positional imaging with it engaged.  Without it some sounds almost seem to come from rear which isn't entirely natural.  Love to hear the Annies again on the Soloist as a sanity check though.

 

Hard to say.  Like I said, it could just be my current amp bringing out the sparkle more.

 

I doubt it! The K712 I heard was kind of sparkly too and very similar to the Q701 when it comes to treble quantity. It didn't bother me unless it was just the recording's fault.

My amp even has slightly smoother treble than the O2 had. O2 has even less brightness than the Magni, but just slightly. Unlike the Magni the O2 never sounded cold/thin/metallic/tinny.

Like I said before, the K712 might even have more upper mids/treble than my Q701.

 

I wonder how your amp compares to the O2 in terms of sound signature/treble quantity? I always wondered what Burson amps were like. I see a lot of people suggesting them for the Q701/K702.

Closest match to my amps "sound" i've heard is the O2 but with smoother treble and other small improvements.


Edited by tdockweiler - 10/23/13 at 8:21pm
post #2182 of 3355
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post
 

 

I doubt it! The K712 I heard was kind of sparkly too and very similar to the Q701 when it comes to treble quantity. It didn't bother me unless it was just the recording's fault.

My amp even has slightly smoother treble than the O2 had. O2 has even less brightness than the Magni, but just slightly. Unlike the Magni the O2 never sounded cold/thin/metallic/tinny.

Like I said before, the K712 might even have more upper mids/treble than my Q701.

 

I wonder how your amp compares to the O2 in terms of sound signature/treble quantity? I always wondered what Burson amps were like. I see a lot of people suggesting them for the Q701/K702.

Closest match to my amps "sound" i've heard is the O2 but with smoother treble and other small improvements.

Glad you mentioned the Magni.  I had completely forgotten that I had the Magni first with the Annies before getting the SA-31.  When switching to the SA-31 I did notice a darkening and distancing of the sound on the Annie.  Though even with the Magni, I wouldn't have considered them bright, mostly more forward.  Never heard the O2 so I can't compare it.  I think the Burson, particularly the Soloist is a good match with the 700 series because it's more suitable for low impedance, being that it doubles down power into lower impedance.  It's very detailed while riding the line between smoothness/naturalness and resolution/texture.  Ideal characteristics for the K712 IMO.


Edited by JWahl - 10/26/13 at 9:55am
post #2183 of 3355
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Originally Posted by Skipshrike View Post
 

I am considering an Asgard 2 for my K712, but is there any benefit to choosing a Lyr instead? Or, would the Lyr overpower the K712's?

 

DAC would be a Bifrost.

I bought the Lyr. I have the knob at 11 o'clock right now listening to my TT and that is plenty loud for me. The big thing for me was rolling tubes though.

post #2184 of 3355
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Originally Posted by Kent Nova View Post
 

I bought the Lyr. I have the knob at 11 o'clock right now listening to my TT and that is plenty loud for me. The big thing for me was rolling tubes though.

No problems with the high gain causing you to hear the tube noise floor? (A hiss is what some people report with some headphones).

post #2185 of 3355
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Originally Posted by Skipshrike View Post

No problems with the high gain causing you to hear the tube noise floor? (A hiss is what some people report with some headphones).
I have a black noise floor with either of my AKGs with all the tubes I've tried so far... The fun of tube rolling is they have slightly different colored frequency responses.
post #2186 of 3355
I'm also using the Lyr with my K712 and the HD800, no floor hiss whatsoever. I'm using the stock tubes, any suggestions that would better suit the 712?
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Besides tubes, and the option to roll tubes, is there any real benefit to the Lyr over an Asgard 2? I doubt I will get a headphone in the $1,000+ range.

post #2188 of 3355
I was able to use an Asgard 2 for a week from a friend of mine, and it sounded great. Big dynamic and very detailed, it worked well with both the 712 and HD800. But switching back the the Lyr gave both headphones a fuller, richer sound, while retaining all the detail and dynamics I've enjoyed from all the Schitt amps I've used in the past. It comes down to preference. If you like the extra warmth imparted with tubes, then the Lyr is a very cost effective way to go. However, the super clean and powerful Asgard 2 offers the best solid state sound to be found in it's price range. Schitt offers a 15 day money back guarantee, so if your in the market they should be on your short list.
post #2189 of 3355
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Originally Posted by macbob713 View Post

I was able to use an Asgard 2 for a week from a friend of mine, and it sounded great. Big dynamic and very detailed, it worked well with both the 712 and HD800. But switching back the the Lyr gave both headphones a fuller, richer sound, while retaining all the detail and dynamics I've enjoyed from all the Schitt amps I've used in the past. It comes down to preference. If you like the extra warmth imparted with tubes, then the Lyr is a very cost effective way to go. However, the super clean and powerful Asgard 2 offers the best solid state sound to be found in it's price range. Schitt offers a 15 day money back guarantee, so if your in the market they should be on your short list.

 

My Asgard 2 will be here on Tuesday... :popcorn:

post #2190 of 3355
Look forward to your impression with the 712. Have fun.
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