Originally Posted by emertxe
That bass mod on Q701 must be some hell of a tuning.. Like "Dr. Dre medicine" kind of change. Those Q701 I've heard on the same setup I am listening to K712 Pro were nowhere near to the K712 Pro amount of bass. They had even less bass than my HD800. I would call them bass shy... Even coming from the HD800s.
There have been a number of pages of postings lately on the Q701 thread about the mod, and several people posting impressions to make an average about what/how much changes with the mod. It's a little more grey if/what happens negative, you get a few people with no downsides and even fewer saying with the extra bass excitement and slightly more forward/revealed mids the sound could get a little more fatiguing after a while.
Originally Posted by TitaniteXtreme
Thanks tdockweiler for the impressions! Some of your words like shown above have motivated me to purchase the K712 and give it a try~~
Yeah, read TitaniteExtreme's post and selected quotes from tdock, those bits seem to encapsulate what tdock's impressions of the K712 Pro are: favorable/addictive, sounding slightly warmer than the Q701 (bass, mids) while also slightly smoother in presentation, while not losing treble extension so much to sound like a darker headphone.
The last few pages in reaction to tdock (not his K712 experience) are classic head-fi. From a 3rd party perspective, the reactions are at the same time amusing and frustrating. Tdock's expression that "Geeze, maybe I should just say what people want to hear, 'the K712 is a HD800 killer!'" (paraphrased) indicates to me that he thinks (I could be wrong) he is getting backlash because he's not saying what people want to hear, but what I'm seeing is kind of an ugly pre-bias against tdock because in the past his review of another headphone was an outlier, he found the Annie's dark, didn't like them. Sure, I agree that he shoulda said he tried Q701's with Annie pads instead of an actual pair of Annie's, but I have also read others say that you practically get Annie's when you change the pads (and colors and headband) of a Q701. But what amuses/bothers me is that in THIS impression, with the K712 actually being tested, people are trying to discredit his listening impressions and looking for flaws in his methods: even though he's enjoying the headphone AND dropping a few relative comments to his current gear, there is a bias against letting his comments stand.
And of course, humans always care about what things mean to them, so I compare his situation to mine, and wonder if/when people will actively discredit me. You know, I had a pair of AD700 for 3 years, and even after I got my Q701 in June last year I kept the AD700 for MONTHS, because even though I liked the new cans I wasn't sure if they were worth the extra $140 cost over what I paid for the AD700. I was still really happy with the AD700 in a lot if ways and still recommend them as a good headphone and good value, but people would keep ask something like "Why would you still like the AD700 when you have a better headphone?" At first, the sonic characteristics I valued were little improved, so the returns were even more diminished for me from a perspective of what I valued on a purely technical level. After a fairly long time (and after wanting an amp partially for the sake of wanting an amp, and thus getting more of the Q701's potential by throwing an extra $160 in peripherals), I found that I was listening to music more often, and that I found the Q701 + amp more exciting to listen to, so I sold the AD700. Why bring all this up? Because if someone on a budget wants to know if the AD700 is a good headphone, I want to say "Yes! It's a good entry to hifi, best for ..." without someone else coming and saying "don't listen to him, he doesn't like bass/must only listen to classical." I try to say what works well, and let the inquirer decide if it matches with his interests and tastes, but I would be offended if someone tried to suggest I wasn't worth listening to, based off of the antagonists tastes and assumptions about me.
... I can't help posting, but I have been sitting on formal reviews for four headphones, because I know some parts will be disagreed with, and [sounds craven when I say it] I don't want people picking me apart. LoL, it would probably be good for me just to do it anyway, generally people have positive intentions. (Just doesn't always look that way on the internet).