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post #1936 of 3279
I have been comparing the K712 and HD800 for several months now. I would enjoy your comparisons.
post #1937 of 3279
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The Burson Conductor SL with both Dac Chips.  The headband is functional and comfortable, but needlessly large.  No need for the giant half moon wires over your head for a design like that, in my opinion.  Adds needless bulk and simply wished it had the same style band as the K-550.  Here is the non product page review:  http://www.head-fi.org/t/685629/akg-k-712-pro-review#post_9884769

Was that a Tiny Tina reference, if so then high five*
The arches are retro... But sometimes retro is cool, certainly unique. And in my case, the way they conform to head shape is more comfortable for me, so I love 'em.

Aaaaand... Tiny Tina is a wonderfully vicious little girl. Blows my mind.
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How much you thinking about spending? I absolutely looove my Music Streamer II...

How did I miss this earlier? Thanks for the datapoint!
post #1938 of 3279
It's hilarious when these two little kids start arguing
post #1939 of 3279
I know!
Imagine how opinionated I would be about sound if I'd heard/owned an HD800 at age 6 or something! As is, I'm concerned that I tick off Mad from time to time when we disagree (because I like to think of him as a friend, and I don't want to distance him), but because we're adults I think we've managed to stay on this side of actually causing damage and making us dislike eachother. But, uh, back on topic... Uh...


I really need to bring my sleep schedule back to regular so I can keep my thoughts on track.
post #1940 of 3279
Man, I debate with blunt words, but really, I'm not mad or anything. I'm just argumentative, lol.

Trust me, Evs. Don't take me too seriously. I fight with everyone, but it's all harmless. Hell, if I'm not arguing with my best friends irl aboht something on the daily, something is wrong. biggrin.gif
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/14/13 at 1:13am
post #1941 of 3279
Ok, argumentative is fine. I tend to just speak my mind, too! So long as you know, I really appreciate being included and the banter, this past year's time I've probably spent more time reading and checking for new posts in your thread (and a smattering of others) than playing games or any other form of entertainment.

As far as the MA900, it was a surprise blip on my radar, honestly I miss the mids and soundstage. And when I said it was duller, thinking back I noticed that mostly when I swapped straight from the MA900 to K712, not the Q, and by itself (not comparing side-by-side) I felt that I was missing extension and liveliness watching Dredd on netflix, straight out from my DSS, it was still good and I enjoyed adding about half of the DSS' bass boost, but I didn't actually notice that the MA900 was dull while gaming and A/B'ing with the Q701 (both powered with the Bugle Boy Amperex tube). During THAT A/B test, the main take away was that the surround spacial cues were more obvious with the MA900, feeling a little of that money rub once I had that thought, and it reminded me of how easily surround came to the AD700... It was easy to concentrate on the surround and little details, which in turn made me remember you saying the AD700 and K701 were so godly at that purpose and sense of air because of their lighter bottom-end, which fit with my feelings about sub-bass compared to the K712 and desire for boosting more with the streamed Netflix movie... but perhaps concluding that the Q701 therefore was "more fun" was a stretch of associations. I will stick to my guns though, and predict the future, that once you hear the K712 (and find it to be a fantastic all-rounder, assuming that the X1 is still-yet further on the scale towards "fun"), especially if you get to hear it side-by-side with the Sony, you will agree that the MA900 is more on the "competitive" side of the scale (though more "fun" than the AD700 and possibly just enough so to be an "all-rounder").

Hopefully that made sense... Stream of consciousness, in a tired state, but I've been mulling over the ideas since the 3rd listening session with the MA900.
post #1942 of 3279
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Man, I debate with blunt words, but really, I'm not mad or anything. I'm just argumentative, lol.

Trust me, Evs. Don't take me too seriously. I fight with everyone, but it's all harmless. Hell, if I'm not arguing with my best friends irl aboht something on the daily, something is wrong. biggrin.gif

 

I find the way you post your opinions on head-fi absolutely correct... Personally havent seen anything really offensive from you here.

post #1943 of 3279
Oh yeah, definitely never felt offended smily_headphones1.gif
It's just I lost/temporarily lost 2 friends recently because of something I said/did. Don't want to make a habit of that.
post #1944 of 3279
Trust me, I know I can come off as brash. I won't deny that. Even as a sort of a-hole. But I think people try too hard to 'speak' softly.

It's the internet.. if people don't have a thick enough skin to handle a heated debate... they don't belong on web forums. It's really that simple. I'm not going to apologize for my opinions, even if they go against what everyone else says.

Everything I say is an opinion, from my well formed ones, to my not so well formed ones. Everything I say should be taken as such. Just an opinion, so anyone is more than free to disagree. I won't hod it against you. wink.gif

Evs, I hear you. Coming off the ANnie, the MA900 is more 'competitive'. Like I said, those AKGs should be considered what the MA900 would sound like if they cost 2x their price. The linearity in the bass, adds to their fullness, which the MA900 lacks. But that's really the only place, balance-wise that I feel differentiates the sonic balance between the MA900 and the Annie/K712. The 3 are all warm, with a full midbass, mids, and smoother treble (the MA900 being a bit softer in the upper range).


What you can see from all the Q/K related graphs (from changstar, to goldenears, to headroom, innerfidelity) is that the AKGs have a very gradual bump from it's midbass all the way to the mids, with a peak in the upper mids, and brighter treble. This gives it a more analytical sound over the MA900, which it's strongest area in sound (relative to everything else) is it's bass, from 50hz up to around 300hz, with a slope down. This gives the MA900 a definite warm tilt, which favors that range in sound the most (the mid bass, with the mids being a real close second). The AKGs's strongest area in the spectrum is in it's large range in mids, then the lower treble. This means that your ears are focused on a large range on the Qs, while with the MA900s, it's biggest area of focus if all frequencies were playing at once, is that range in bass. This proves what I've been saying about the MA900: It's more fun than the Qs, both in sound, and graphs.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 10/14/13 at 2:12am
post #1945 of 3279
I agree with chicolom, they really should have come in at a price point a few hundred bucks under the flagships currently dominating the market. To come in actually well over flagships that have already established themselves is really bad marketing. People will just stay with what they know, I think, except us die hard AKG fans. A lesser price would encourage more experimental buying. I hope indeed they will come in at a more efficient price. The T1 is already a thousand bucks now on Amazon, usually.

If the OP still cares about hooks, I just bought myself a big fat white plastic laundry hook from Rite Aid. It came with a built-in screw. I just screwed it into my wall near my amp. Hung my headphones on that. Perfect fit and it cost me like a buck.
post #1946 of 3279
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I agree with chicolom, they really should have come in at a price point a few hundred bucks under the flagships currently dominating the market. To come in actually well over flagships that have already established themselves is really bad marketing. People will just stay with what they know, I think, except us die hard AKG fans. A lesser price would encourage more experimental buying. I hope indeed they will come in at a more efficient price. The T1 is already a thousand bucks now on Amazon, usually.

If the OP still cares about hooks, I just bought myself a big fat white plastic laundry hook from Rite Aid. It came with a built-in screw. I just screwed it into my wall near my amp. Hung my headphones on that. Perfect fit and it cost me like a buck.

 

Indeed. If the price of K812 is going to be the same (or even higher) than HD800, I will be very hesitant to switch since I would have to sell the HD800 for less and then save money to cover the difference (like 500USD and that's A LOT for me). In the end, I could always use my analog "bass boost" 2-steps switch on StageDAC to get closer to the "so-called more bassy K812". On the other hand, if K812 are like 1000USD, I could just sell the Senns and purchase brand new K812 with full warranty and be completely happy.

post #1947 of 3279
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Comparing the HD800 to the K712 is beyond silly.  It isn't even half as capable as the HD800's realism and ability to produce intensely dynamic and physically definable instruments and vocals.  It isn't as good as the HD700, but it is more enjoyable than the Sennheiser HD700 and Hifiman HE-500 to me.  


Comparing any headphone to another is not considered silly in my book.  Have you heard the AKG K712 Pro and do you own the HD800?

 

For 1/5th the price many will consider the K712 Pro to the HD800 especially looking at the frequency response and other charts.  They are remarkably similar.

post #1948 of 3279
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Comparing any headphone to another is not considered silly in my book.  Have you heard the AKG K712 Pro and do you own the HD800?

 

For 1/5th the price many will consider the K712 Pro to the HD800 especially looking at the frequency response and other charts.  They are remarkably similar.

 

Depends on location... Its about 1/3rd (or almost 4/10th) in Europe actually.

post #1949 of 3279
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...I'm not mad or anything...
 

lol

post #1950 of 3279
Irony, yes...but the 'mad' I meant on my name was the slang for a large quantity.

I have maaaaad lust envy.

It still doesn't make sense, I know, but roll with it. biggrin.gif
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