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post #1861 of 3359

Yeah, although I'm sure it will help the bass out.

 

The cups look very deep and the headphone looks extremely open, so I doubt heat will be too much of an issue.  You can see right through the grills to the other side.  It's like the HD800 but with leather pads.

 

Maybe they have bayonet lock removable pads and you can stick velours on them :rolleyes:

 

 

post #1862 of 3359
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

Yeah, although I'm sure it will help the bass out.

 

The cups look very deep and the headphone looks extremely open, so I doubt heat will be too much of an issue.  You can see right through the grills to the other side.  It's like the HD800 but with leather pads.

 

Maybe they have bayonet lock removable pads and you can stick velours on them :rolleyes:

 

 

 

Sorry, those pleathers just look absolutely horrible... Therefore I hope you're right!

post #1863 of 3359

Looks a lot better than this: 

My ears get hot and itchy just looking at that.

 

 

post #1864 of 3359
That looks like the ESP950 pads.... which are horrrrrrrrible.

For $1499, thats TH900 money.
post #1865 of 3359

I am actually hoping AKG K812 Pro will fix the upper mids of HD800! Can't remember why but I really do not appreciate HD800's upper mids....

post #1866 of 3359
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Originally Posted by BillsonChang007 View Post
 

I am actually hoping AKG K812 Pro will fix the upper mids of HD800! Can't remember why but I really do not appreciate HD800's upper mids....

 

What's wrong with them? They are as uncolored as it can get nearly, check graphs... There is absolutely nothing wrong with vocals unless the recording itself is prone to sibilance (even using a neutral amplifier). But the majority of people prefer lush "LCD-2" like vocals so yeah, these are not going to be happy with HD800 which are much more realistic here :-)

 

I would suspect there is some "mismatch" in your audio chain:

 

1) Transport quality

2) Bright-sounding RCA cable

3) Wrong tubes used or an SS amp with emphasis on 1 - 2 khz area?

4) You mistake upper mids with treble... It wouldnt be as surprising as it is not easy to spot where exactly the problem lies - it could very well be that you find several treble regions offensive, not just one. Even subjectively not enough bass could lead to "flawed" upper mids/treble opinion.

 

I would say that HD800 are very responding to any change in your audio chain... Even changing DAC filter can make a real difference, especially in treble.

 

EDIT: You should maybe try the Anax mod as well... It could help you.


Edited by emertxe - 10/10/13 at 2:59am
post #1867 of 3359
To be fair, the HD800 uper mids are a product of frustration for many, which is why there are mods for the HD800. Its not completely neutral. There is a mild bump in the upper mids placed there on purpose, to the dismay of some people.
post #1868 of 3359
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Originally Posted by emertxe View Post
 

 

What's wrong with them? They are as uncolored as it can get nearly, check graphs... There is absolutely nothing wrong with vocals unless the recording itself is prone to sibilance (even using a neutral amplifier). But the majority of people prefer lush "LCD-2" like vocals so yeah, these are not going to be happy with HD800 which are much more realistic here :-)

 

I would suspect there is some "mismatch" in your audio chain:

 

1) Transport quality

2) Bright-sounding RCA cable

3) Wrong tubes used or an SS amp with emphasis on 1 - 2 khz area?

4) You mistake upper mids with treble... It wouldnt be as surprising as it is not easy to spot where exactly the problem lies - it could very well be that you find several treble regions offensive, not just one. Even subjectively not enough bass could lead to "flawed" upper mids/treble opinion.

 

I would say that HD800 are very responding to any change in your audio chain... Even changing DAC filter can make a real difference, especially in treble.

 

EDIT: You should maybe try the Anax mod as well... It could help you.

Still can't recall why I dislike the upper mids of HD800 but if wish to know, I paired it with Beyer's A1 amp. Cables etc are all stock I assume  :)

post #1869 of 3359

Am I weird for actually wanting some pleather pads for my Annies? >.<

 

I bought some cheapo chinese knockoffs for my K240 and I like the feel more than I like the velour + memory foam combo of Annies.

Maybe its cause I keep my room around 68-70 degrees? Kinda chilly so the memory foam is stiffer.

post #1870 of 3359
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

To be fair, the HD800 uper mids are a product of frustration for many, which is why there are mods for the HD800. Its not completely neutral. There is a mild bump in the upper mids placed there on purpose, to the dismay of some people.

 

Show me any graph where mids are somewhat problematic... What exactly should be problematic with mids of HD800? If you are talking about that 6khz emphasis, it's not "mids" at all... Mids are up to 2khz (or maybe 3khz according to someone). 6khz is a part of "treble" region.


Edited by emertxe - 10/10/13 at 6:42am
post #1871 of 3359
I'll pm you the site that shall not be named, but there is clearly and upper mid bump.
post #1872 of 3359
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

IMO that's probably a poor match and best suited for a brighter/thinner headphone. Heck, I thought it was even bad with an HD-598 and that's not even that warm.

Can try the E7 or even E5. Used E9 could probably be found for under $75 with a little luck.

EDIT: I know someone will probably disagree...
I first used my q701 with an E5... Maybe not the most powerful or revealing amp, nor does it create world beating soundstage, BUT I liked the sound and it was pleasantly smooth (no harshness).
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Huzzah. Like this guy already. smily_headphones1.gif

He's basically stating what I already said with regards to the MA900 being a poor man's alternative to the K702 Annie/K712 Pro, with more comfort and less weight (making it much easier to leave on the head for longer periods of time).

I basically agree with everything the review said, though in place of the K712, is the K702 Anniversary which is more or less gonna be comparable give or take a few things.

I want to get a pair of K712 Pros at some point to at least review them and judge them on their own strengths. I already know I'd love them considering I love both the MA900 and K702 Annies as my two absolute fave pairs of all rounders.
Well of course you're gonna like something that confirms your opinions wink.gif

STILL, I'm not convinced the only change between Q701 --> K712 is more bass... I think mids are more forward as well. Mids seemed recessed on the Q when I compared the MA900 back-to-back, win for the MA900, but unamped I didn't feel like I was giving ANYTHING up between the Pros and MA900 for those 10 minutes I compared those. I still haven't compared the K712 vs Q701 head-to-head yet, but based on impressions it feels like a substantial all around upgrade. Mad, when I send you the M-100, Change is Good wanted to hear them and he's getting the K712, you should ask to borrow his. I think you'll really like them, even with a more modest amp. You got another E17 right?
post #1873 of 3359
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

Yeah, although I'm sure it will help the bass out.

 

The cups look very deep and the headphone looks extremely open, so I doubt heat will be too much of an issue.  You can see right through the grills to the other side.  It's like the HD800 but with leather pads.

 

Honestly that's what I was hoping for but as you can see the drivers aren't angled so you're not going to get a comparable soundstage to the HD800. I was really hoping the K812 would pretty much be a K712 with angled drivers because other than the forward upper mids the only thing I can complain about on the K712 is the soundstage depth. The width is awesome but it feels a bit strange when combined with limited depth.

post #1874 of 3359
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Originally Posted by devhen View Post
 

 

Honestly that's what I was hoping for but as you can see the drivers aren't angled so you're not going to get a comparable soundstage to the HD800. I was really hoping the K812 would pretty much be a K712 with angled drivers because other than the forward upper mids the only thing I can complain about on the K712 is the soundstage depth. The width is awesome but it feels a bit strange when combined with limited depth.

 

X7xx definitely lack in depth compared to HD800, I mean significantly... They are also rather L - center - R, nothing in between. This is where HD800 also leads. Still, these K812 could be completely different and get at least near to HD800 (if not match the Senns). Soundstage is only one attribute of sound though...

post #1875 of 3359
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Originally Posted by emertxe View Post
 

 

X7xx definitely lack in depth compared to HD800, I mean significantly... They are also rather L - center - R, nothing in between. This is where HD800 also leads. Still, these K812 could be completely different and get at least near to HD800 (if not match the Senns). Soundstage is only one attribute of sound though...

 

Just the emptiness of space! :k701smile:

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