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post #1816 of 3359
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Wut, I misread your comparison then. I could've sworn you said the opposite.

 

Nope, I've always said the K712 is slightly darker/warmer.

post #1817 of 3359
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

Thanks for the comparison.

 

Strange that you say the K712 is airier...

 

The AKG is only more airy on some tracks and more so in the bass than any other part of the FR.

post #1818 of 3359
Less airy, and less intimate. Those two things tend to contradict each other... but I haven't heard the K712, so I'll just say...ok.
post #1819 of 3359
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Less airy, and less intimate. Those two things tend to contradict each other... but I haven't heard the K712, so I'll just say...ok.

 

Who said both of those two things in the same sentence?

post #1820 of 3359
Chico. You never said these things, so I don't understand how that's confusing. tongue.gif

Saying it's less airy than the Annie, and also less intimate.

That, at least to me, tends to be a contradiction. Less airiness thends to push things closer in the virtual space for a more intimate effect.
post #1821 of 3359
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Chico. You never said these things, so I don't understand how that's confusing. tongue.gif

Saying it's less airy than the Annie, and also less intimate.

That, at least to me, tends to be a contradiction. Less airiness thends to push things closer in the virtual space for a more intimate effect.

 

Just making sure I did not need to clear something up.  I am always up for open discussion after all I am still learning too.

 

For those of you out there with the HD800 wanting to try the AKG K712 Pro I say forget it.  The HD800 is just about the best headphone out there and is clearly more engaging than the AKG K712 Pro.

post #1822 of 3359
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Chico. You never said these things, so I don't understand how that's confusing. tongue.gif

Saying it's less airy than the Annie, and also less intimate.

That, at least to me, tends to be a contradiction. Less airiness thends to push things closer in the virtual space for a more intimate effect.

 

Sometimes specific instruments can be more airy on a specific headphone and the midrange can remain quite intimate, but I agree that if the entire FR is airy then one would expect it to be less intimate.  The terms are not exactly antonyms, but I see what both of you may be saying.

post #1823 of 3359
I guess I'll just have to hear it for myself one day, but I had zero issues with the Annie's sound, so everyone saying the K712 is a slight improvement better not be expectation bias. The ANnie is the only headphone I onwed that was great in basically every way. No fatigue, no peakiness (for me), stellar mids, great bass, etc. I'd like to see what tradeoffs the K712 has.
post #1824 of 3359
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I guess I'll just have to hear it for myself one day, but I had zero issues with the Annie's sound, so everyone saying the K712 is a slight improvement better not be expectation bias. The ANnie is the only headphone I onwed that was great in basically every way. No fatigue, no peakiness (for me), stellar mids, great bass, etc. I'd like to see what tradeoffs the K712 has.

 

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post #1825 of 3359
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I guess I'll just have to hear it for myself one day, but I had zero issues with the Annie's sound, so everyone saying the K712 is a slight improvement better not be expectation bias. The ANnie is the only headphone I onwed that was great in basically every way. No fatigue, no peakiness (for me), stellar mids, great bass, etc. I'd like to see what tradeoffs the K712 has.

Writing review and adding it into your gaming headphone guide? popcorn.gif
post #1826 of 3359
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Less airy, and less intimate. Those two things tend to contradict each other... but I haven't heard the K712, so I'll just say...ok.

 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Saying it's less airy than the Annie, and also less intimate.

That, at least to me, tends to be a contradiction. Less airiness thends to push things closer in the virtual space for a more intimate effect.

 


When I say "air" I'm mainly talking about the treble and reproduction of high frequencies. 

 

When I say something is airy it means that the high frequencies are present and you can hear the low level high-frequency detail and ambience from the recording space.  A less airy sound is where the highs are darker and more rolled off with a blacker background. 

 

I don't conflate air with how open a headphone's soundstage is though.  Take the AD900 and the MA900 for example.  Both have big open soundstages, but one reproduces more high frequency air and the other rolls off the highs a little.   A headphone can be darker sounding but still have an open soundstage.  Likewise, a headphone can be intimate sounding but still have good reproduction of air from the recording.

 

Here's what's in the "Head-fi Glossary".  As you can see it mentions both the soundstage and the high frequencies:

Airy - Spacious. Open. Instruments sound like they are surrounded by a large reflective space full of air. Good reproduction of high frequency reflections. High frequency response extends to 15 or 20 kHz.

 

Personally I would separate that definition into two separate things, because it's possible to have one (spacious/open) without the other (good reproduction of high frequencies).  A headphone can be more spacious while also being darker sounding.  That's the case with the K712.

 

So for the Anniversary and K712, the Anniversary has a slightly more airy signature with more forward upper mids and slightly more treble presence, while the K712 is slightly darker and more rolled off with a blacker background.  In terms of soundstage though, the K712 is slightly more open sounding, less intimate, and with slightly more space - EVEN THOUGH it is slightly darker sounding.
 


Edited by chicolom - 10/6/13 at 9:38pm
post #1827 of 3359
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Originally Posted by NA Blur View Post
 

For those of you out there with the HD800 wanting to try the AKG K712 Pro I say forget it.  The HD800 is just about the best headphone out there and is clearly more engaging than the AKG K712 Pro.

 

Thanks for the comment... Actually, I was thinking about trying those K712 Pro and eventually sell HD800 to save some money (I am quite a pragmatic person sometimes). But yeah, my friend had K702 65th anniversary and told me that they are very nice and quite balanced but cannot substitute HD800 fully. Unfortunately...


Edited by emertxe - 10/6/13 at 11:46pm
post #1828 of 3359

I wonder if it is a resonator design issue that holds the K712 back from the HD800.  The charts show remarkable similarities so it just might be the ring radiator that Sennheiser uses in the HD800 that is really setting them apart.

post #1829 of 3359

For me the K712 is one of the best headphones in his price range! Over all better than D7000.

 

Now I play "sara k. - Hell Or High Water" (SACD) - its a superb sounding!

post #1830 of 3359
I highly doubt that, but it's also two completely different types of sound. The D7000 is closed (mostly), and v-shaped on purpose.

Comparing two headphones with very different frequency curves... well, at that point, it's gonna come down to preference, and less about actual technicalities.
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