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Originally Posted by devhen View Post
 

Anyway, I think what I was saying in my previous post brings up a good topic and I didn't mean to deride anyone in particular but there are so many aspects to a headphone and so many of those are really subjective so when someone says one headphone is better than another in every way I'm very skeptical unless you're talking about headphones that are in completely different leagues from one another. What makes it difficult for me personally is that I'm yet to hear any orthos for myself but if there were no sonic benefits from orthodynamic drivers over dynamic drivers then why would you go to the trouble of manufacturing such a heavier and more costly driver? And if there are potential overall sonic improvements surely those aspects would apply in comparison to the K712 just like any other dynamic headphone (HD800, T1, mid-fi cans, budget cans, etc). Just thinking out loud here. I do hope the K712s are as good as some are saying they are. I would have no problem with that! ;)

 

+1

I have some cheap Spider Powerforce hp's that do one or two things better than headphones that cost 500 dollars. Of the grip of hp's I have had I have yet to find one that blows another away in every single aspect. I have had some minor orthos too. 

 

Each hp has its points.

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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

+1
I have some cheap Spider Powerforce hp's that do one or two things better than headphones that cost 500 dollars. Of the grip of hp's I have had I have yet to find one that blows another away in every single aspect. I have had some minor orthos too. 

Each hp has its points.

Indeed! HPs are like human being! All have it's own unique point! smily_headphones1.gif
post #1713 of 3240

Wow, that mod looks really great!  I'll have to give it a shot when I get my Qs.

 

Way back when, when I had the chance to compare a huge number of <$500 cans, it came down to the DT880/600 and the K702 for me.  Both were just so awesome!  When it boiled down to it, the 880 really had the bass impact I was thirsting for.  But I really didn't want to give up the massive soundstage, (and I realize some say 'fake' soundstage), of the K702.  So I went with those, and decided I'd have to live without bass impact.  Sniff, sniff...  This mod sounds like it might really bring back that lovin' feeling...

 

 

On the subject of cheapy phones doing wonders:

 

I bought my first Android phone last year, (HTC One V - hey, I wanted an iPhone, but it was FOUR TIMES MORE MONEY, so I got the HTC.  And you know what?  It's not an iPhone.  But it's OK, usually).

 

The HTC came with some expensive Beats earbuds in a classy box with lots of extras, as a special offer.  They're IEMs more or less, which retail about $150 I think.  They were some kinda awful.  I hated them from the first listen, but I gave them a chance for a few days.  They didn't improve, to me.  The balance was just terrible, and sounded heavily manipulated.  So I gave them to the girl who works at my phone center. 

 

Some time later, I realized I needed some earbuds for working at my computer.  I only have my AKGs (no) or my Ety ER-4 (no).  I didn't really want to spend money on some Koss or an M50 or something, and then I remembered that my phone must've come with some stock earbuds also.  Sure enough, they did.

 

I put 'em on and was blown away!  They are literally amazing headphones!  Clear, spacious, detailed, extremely well balanced... in a sense, they are almost like portable versions of my AKGs.  Just really amazing, great quality headphones.  They also come with a mic so I can make and receive calls.

 

Long story short here, one afternoon my gf and I were lazing around in the park, and she was using my backpack as a pillow, and she ended up destroying my little earbuds.  I guess all of her tiny 110 lb. bulk crushed the case somehow.

 

So I got on Amazon and worried myself to death thinking that, if I could even find these earbuds for sale, they'd be a min. of $50.  But for the quality, I was thinking even up to $200 would be well worth it and probably more realistic given their crystal clear and balanced sound - though I sure didn't want to pay it!!!

 

Well... I did find them, and they were... $5.  Yup, $5.

 

I ordered 3 pair.

 

For the curious:  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008HL1NIC/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Ha great story. I had a similar experience with the latest Apple "Earpods" that come with iPhones/iPods. They are pretty good for the $25 they cost. But I wouldn't be surprised if these ones are even better. I ordered a pair, figured why not. Thanks for the tip! ;)

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Cool! I'm sure you'll love them. They claim to be the same OEM units as the ones that came with my phone. If they are, then you'll love them. Looking forward to your thoughts.

I'm still waiting for mine. They have to go from Hong Kong to California, and then be mailed to me Europe. All that plus shipping, and it's still cheaper than buying a single pair here.

Good ol' VAT.
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So K712 or HD600 for classical symponies and chamber music, amps Grace m902 and Beresford Bushmaster...must be comfy enough for several hours a day       I'm in dubio..:blink:

 

What do you guys think??


Edited by Quinto - 9/28/13 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

 

For the physical feel/impact of the bass in HE500 vs K712, I don't need to give any specific examples but if you insist, then here's is one : Radiohead's Little by Little (Caribou RMX).  Match your volume on HE500 and K712, listen to that track.  Then come back and let me know which HPs let you feel the bass/drum/LF more on your ear drums.  Rememer that we are not talking about volume/amount here.

 

Btw, I am done.  Enjoy your K712.  It's the best since sliced bread.

 

Unsub...

Thanks to Koiloc for the example.  This track shows the flat bass extension of the HE-500 well surpasses the slightly uneven sound of the K712 Pro.

 

On Karsh Kale's Longing track the tides are reversed with the K712 Pro sounding more airy, impactful, and deep while the HE-500 presents more of a wall of sound.

 

I received a few requests to my review so here it is:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/products/akg-k712-pro/reviews/9482


Edited by NA Blur - 9/28/13 at 5:32pm
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The Grace makes any headphone sound its very best. However, it cuts bad tracks like a razor. I had to finally sell it, because it was ruining my listening experience! (No joke!). Nearly everything in my collection sounded horrible, when you can hear the sound guy going to the bathroom or talking about his weekend out. Or a mouse crawling across the soundboard. I mean you just can't hide anything.

But I did feel pretty cool having one. :-) there's just nothing like a Grace, and its half rack size just oozed 'serious sound dude.'

By the way, my ex wife just gave me a pair of those HTC headphones at her birthday party. Said she doesn't use it. Sigh, it's hard not to miss someone that cool. :-)
Edited by Kouzelna - 9/29/13 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by devhen View Post

Ha great story. I had a similar experience with the latest Apple "Earpods" that come with iPhones/iPods. They are pretty good for the $25 they cost. But I wouldn't be surprised if these ones are even better. I ordered a pair, figured why not. Thanks for the tip! wink.gif
The EarPods were designed by Fostex
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Originally Posted by Quinto View Post

So K712 or HD600 for classical symponies and chamber music, amps Grace m902 and Beresford Bushmaster...must be comfy enough for several hours a day       I'm in dubio..blink.gif

What do you guys think??
Nearly zero sub bass on the 600. For me, I still like to hear the lower tones of cellos etc that are lost with the 600.
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The EarPods were designed by Fostex

 

Whutttt? where did you get that info? I thought Apple put in some serious effort to do so... but I am pretty sure I am wrong here xD

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Nearly zero sub bass on the 600. For me, I still like to hear the lower tones of cellos etc that are lost with the 600.

Ugh, really, I'm a huge cello fan :confused_face(1):

post #1723 of 3240
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post

^ I like how you are satisfied with your headphones. just note the following:
he400 notoriously fatiguing.
he-500 not

Most new reference hp's are mentioned among the summit fi. Because you pay alot more for little improvemtn

I heard the HE400 with Velours... Mad sent them to me to share. IMO they weren't fatiguing... I just didn't like how recessed the mids were. I HAVE had someone else recommend the HE500 to me and say I might like 'em, but still I'm enjoying what I've got, and other headphones have already appealed to me more.

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Originally Posted by ethan7000 View Post

The EarPods were designed by Fostex
Interesting! Got any web links to support this? Not because I don't believe you, but because I'd like to read them smily_headphones1.gif


Kouzelna,
The Q701 are a more than pleasing headphone, extremely good. I've been using them for just a bit over a year. I'm still testing my new K712 (well, right now I'm testing the Sony MA900 that were loaned to me), and I haven't put the Q701 and K712 head-to-head yet (giving solo listening time first to the K712 to get acclimated to it), but the overall sound presentation doesn'te jump out at me at being a huge change. Mostly I've noted the coiled cable and flat headband are awesome. But! The Q701 are also amazing, and really the better choice for your budget. Just slap on a bit of extra padding on the headband and you should enjoy the sound a lot. The Q701 was already the "extra bass" version of the K701.
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Originally Posted by Quinto View Post

So K712 or HD600 for classical symponies and chamber music, amps Grace m902 and Beresford Bushmaster...must be comfy enough for several hours a day       I'm in dubio..blink.gif

What do you guys think??

 

Nearly zero sub bass on the 600. For me, I still like to hear the lower tones of cellos etc that are lost with the 600.

 

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Originally Posted by Quinto View Post

 

Ugh, really, I'm a huge cello fan :confused_face(1):

 

I wouldn't say the HD600 has "nearly zero" sub-bass. They both have rolled-off sub-bass and the HD600 has only slightly less than the K712. Neither are sub-bass monsters by any means but both would be adequate for your cellos. Once you get used to them the bass roll-off isn't very noticeable. I really like the overall quality of the bass on both of these cans. Great texture and once you get used to the amount of bass and sub-bass its perfect. The HD600 keeps the mids and other frequencies in front of any sub-bass that is in the track but all of the information is still there. The K712 only slightly improves on that.

 

Don't get me wrong, it bugs me how common sub-bass roll-off is in dynamic cans. When it is an issue a slight boost with EQ can go a long way. But I think its misleading to make people think sub-bass information is outright missing in either of these cans and the K712 has only slightly more sub-bass presence than the HD600 does.

 

Overall I really love both of these cans and I think they would both do very well with your genres, as I mentioned to you in the HD600 thread. If you're having a hard time deciding just ask yourself-- which is more important: tonality or soundstage/separation (I know they are both important but which one is more important between the two)? Tonality: HD600, soundstage/separation: K712. But you would love either. ;) Maybe you should get both. :D I'm loving these two cans.


Edited by devhen - 9/29/13 at 8:13am
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Very helpful, thanks.. I think I'll need both :biggrin:

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