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post #1681 of 4635
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Originally Posted by Kouzelna View Post

Beautiful photos. Really stunning. In the spirit, can anyone get some photos of a set of the K 712 on, let's say, an ox? Or perhaps an elephant?

 

 

 

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Has anyone tried these with the Phonitor?  The K702 is too grainy with it when listening to soft piano or classical music.

post #1683 of 4635
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Originally Posted by Kouzelna View Post

Is the K712 really worth paying double the price over the K702 or Q701? I mean like, really? I could do quite a lot with that extra 250 bucks. I mean, that's a lot of scotch whiskey!

 

FYI, you can get them for $384 from www.razordogaudio.com with coupon code RAZORDOGK712. Authorized dealer, free and fast shipping, awesome customer service.

post #1684 of 4635
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Originally Posted by grizzlybeast View Post
 

 

I meant hopes that the AD can do drums with the impact that NA Blur described the k712 to possess. but no worries I get your point.

IMO and experience with all 4 HPs, the drums impact/feel on Q701, K712 would "never" approach the level of HE500 and AD.

post #1685 of 4635
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

IMO and experience with all 4 HPs, the drums impact/feel on Q701, K712 would "never" approach the level of HE500 and AD.

Could you supply some specific examples for us so we can compare?  Also, from what gear are you making this claim?

post #1686 of 4635
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Originally Posted by NA Blur View Post
 

Could you supply some specific examples for us so we can compare?  Also, from what gear are you making this claim?

Let me be clear about what I am talking about here first before we go into gear discussion.  The original question was about feel which to me is not the volume or amount of bass you hear from your HPs.  For me, when you say "feel", it's more physical.  An analogy would be listening to the same track on tiny bose speakers vs full tower speakers.  You will get the same volume from both but the feel is absolutely not the same in my context.  For me, it's a similar comparison for K712 vs. HE500/AD.  I am not saying the bass amount is lacking on the K712, even though it's indeed a touch less than HE500/AD to my ears.  What I am talking about here is the physical feel/impact of the drivers on your ear drums/head.  With ortho in generally, because of the driver design, you will just feel more air moving.  You might not feel this when the amp doesn't supply ample of juice for these orthos so here, I can see why some people might disagree with me.  My evaluation has been based on a few amps ranging from Fiio E17, Fiio E9K, the monster Emotiva Mini-X (50wpc), Lyr, Taboo MKIII.  I am not a bass head.  I am happy with my Q701's at +2/+3/4 bass EQ and believe that's a good balance for me.  When I got the K712 to try, I found the bass amount to be almost perfect, I only need to maybe +1EQ(rarely +2) for some tracks.  But we are talking about feel/impact here and I believe in this case, open neutral dynamic HPs including the HD800 just don't have the same rumbling(not amount/volume) as orthos in the low end.  Once again, I am not dissing the K712 in any ways so don't get me wrong.  I am just answering the question honestly based on my personal experience.

Also, I do believe that you are over-hyping the K712 and not offering an objective/honest comparison between K712 and HE500.  Yes, I've read your posts.  If there are other amps that could possibly reverse my evaluation, please enlighten me.  I'd love to try cuz I would absolutely get a K712 instead of the HD800 and save myself a ton of money this Xmas.  For now, I am still very content with my modded Q701.  Hope I answered your question.


Edited by koiloco - 9/27/13 at 8:49am
post #1687 of 4635
That's one heck of a happy looking elephant.

Getting the picture the K712 isn't so great with classical. But I guess I'm lucky, 90 percent of the time I am listening with headphones is in the evenings, & I am listening to vocal trance. Of course I love other stuff, but that's my headphone stuff. Maybe prog as well.

385 is a great deal, but it still nearly twice the price of the Q701. then again, if the K712 is a good replacement for the T1,I just saved myself a fortune. And like I said, that's a lot of scotch whiskey for me and the happy elephant.
post #1688 of 4635

Whut, the K712 isn't so great with classical?

 

I just did a bid on one to listen to symphonical stuff :confused:

 

It has to be great :D

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Let me try to be as objective as possible when I express what I mean about drums.

 

The snare or a rim shot doesn't sit in the sub bass of a headphone. Air is not the whole of what is necessary to communicate drums in a headphone well. Sub bass and air don't equate good drums.

 

Drums need to cut through the mix. Something that the hd650 does really well despite its bass roll off and congestion. I have had the he400 and d2k both of which best the hd650 in bass and the former besting it in air. However (possibly because of a mid bass hump) the drums on an hd650 smack harder and are more pronounced. The planars I have had lack that ability because the sound is sooo.. ummm well...effortless that its like you don't hear the drivers moving. It is very hard to explain. Maybe a well amped hd650 is more assertive in displaying instruments. I had it plugged into an emotiva though.

 

This was my hope for the k712. but nuff said Ill have to try it myself to see.

post #1690 of 4635
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Originally Posted by devhen View Post
 

 

FYI, you can get them for $384 from www.razordogaudio.com with coupon code RAZORDOGK712. Authorized dealer, free and fast shipping, awesome customer service.

 

Do you know when that code expires? And where did you find it :O

 

I'm currently shopping around trying to decide what HPs I want. Was leaning towards the Fidelio X1 but would rather go for the K712 if the bass really is improved and I can get it at prices like that.

post #1691 of 4635
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Let me be clear about what I am talking about here first before we go into gear discussion.  The original question was about feel which to me is not the volume or amount of bass you hear from your HPs.  For me, when you say "feel", it's more physical.  An analogy would be listening to the same track on tiny bose speakers vs full tower speakers.  You will get the same volume from both but the feel is absolutely not the same in my context.  For me, it's a similar comparison for K712 vs. HE500/AD.  I am not saying the bass amount is lacking on the K712, even though it's indeed a touch less than HE500/AD to my ears.  What I am talking about here is the physical feel/impact of the drivers on your ear drums/head.  With ortho in generally, because of the driver design, you will just feel more air moving.  You might not feel this when the amp doesn't supply ample of juice for these orthos so here, I can see why some people might disagree with me.  My evaluation has been based on a few amps ranging from Fiio E17, Fiio E9K, the monster Emotiva Mini-X (50wpc), Lyr, Taboo MKIII.  I am not a bass head.  I am happy with my Q701's at +2/+3/4 bass EQ and believe that's a good balance for me.  When I got the K712 to try, I found the bass amount to be almost perfect, I only need to maybe +1EQ(rarely +2) for some tracks.  But we are talking about feel/impact here and I believe in this case, open neutral dynamic HPs including the HD800 just don't have the same rumbling(not amount/volume) as orthos in the low end.  Once again, I am not dissing the K712 in any ways so don't get me wrong.  I am just answering the question honestly based on my personal experience.

Also, I do believe that you are over-hyping the K712 and not offering an objective/honest comparison between K712 and HE500.  Yes, I've read your posts.  If there are other amps that could possibly reverse my evaluation, please enlighten me.  I'd love to try cuz I would absolutely get a K712 instead of the HD800 and save myself a ton of money this Xmas.  For now, I am still very content with my modded Q701.  Hope I answered your question.

I already gave an objective comparison within this thread.  I supplied the measurements for comparison, how much more objective do you want.

 

Secondly, you did not supply examples of what tracks or music you are basing your claims on.  You supplied gear, although not specific to what gear you actually hear these differences.

 

I would like understand where you are coming from, but without specific examples I cannot do the comparison myself.

post #1692 of 4635
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Originally Posted by Quinto View Post
 

Whut, the K712 isn't so great with classical?

 

I just did a bid on one to listen to symphonical stuff :confused:

 

It has to be great :D

My review covers symphonic music and I would say the K712 Pro does extremely well with that genre.

post #1693 of 4635
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

Let me be clear about what I am talking about here first before we go into gear discussion.  The original question was about feel which to me is not the volume or amount of bass you hear from your HPs.  For me, when you say "feel", it's more physical.  An analogy would be listening to the same track on tiny bose speakers vs full tower speakers.  You will get the same volume from both but the feel is absolutely not the same in my context.  For me, it's a similar comparison for K712 vs. HE500/AD.  I am not saying the bass amount is lacking on the K712, even though it's indeed a touch less than HE500/AD to my ears.  What I am talking about here is the physical feel/impact of the drivers on your ear drums/head.  With ortho in generally, because of the driver design, you will just feel more air moving.  You might not feel this when the amp doesn't supply ample of juice for these orthos so here, I can see why some people might disagree with me.  My evaluation has been based on a few amps ranging from Fiio E17, Fiio E9K, the monster Emotiva Mini-X (50wpc), Lyr, Taboo MKIII.  I am not a bass head.  I am happy with my Q701's at +2/+3/4 bass EQ and believe that's a good balance for me.  When I got the K712 to try, I found the bass amount to be almost perfect, I only need to maybe +1EQ(rarely +2) for some tracks.  But we are talking about feel/impact here and I believe in this case, open neutral dynamic HPs including the HD800 just don't have the same rumbling(not amount/volume) as orthos in the low end.  Once again, I am not dissing the K712 in any ways so don't get me wrong.  I am just answering the question honestly based on my personal experience.
Also, I do believe that you are over-hyping the K712 and not offering an objective/honest comparison between K712 and HE500.  Yes, I've read your posts.  If there are other amps that could possibly reverse my evaluation, please enlighten me.  I'd love to try cuz I would absolutely get a K712 instead of the HD800 and save myself a ton of money this Xmas.  For now, I am still very content with my modded Q701.  Hope I answered your question.

Eh, I wouldn't get the HE-500 at this point just because I didn't enjoy music through the HE400, and I AM enjoying my music with what I have right now (K712 primarily, also Q701 (comparing these) and M-100, ER•6i, and a MA900 on loan). What do you have to say about that?

You could say I'm being brand biased against HiFiman not to give the HE500 a chance, but my thinking is "so what?" I made a purchase already and received a superb headphone I love, not going to pay more (at least right now) just to give the HE500 a chance. The fact that people are talking about these AKGs (and the recent Annies) in the same breath as more "summit-Fi" headphones like the HD800, T90, T1, and I guess the HE500 speaks volumes about the AKG, doesn't it? If I was ready to try something different, there are so many other headphones more and even less expensive than the HE500 I would be interested in first. The K712 Pro may not best them in every way, but they don't embarrass themselves either, and I would personally back up the general consensus that, by themselves, the K712s are easy headphones to love while being spared some of the fatiguing aspects of other headphones.
Edited by Evshrug - 9/27/13 at 12:53pm
post #1694 of 4635

^ I like how you are satisfied with your headphones. just note the following:

he400 notoriously fatiguing.

he-500 not

 

Most new reference hp's are mentioned among the summit fi. Because you pay alot more for little improvemtn

post #1695 of 4635
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Originally Posted by NA Blur View Post
 

I already gave an objective comparison within this thread.  I supplied the measurements for comparison, how much more objective do you want.

 

Secondly, you did not supply examples of what tracks or music you are basing your claims on.  You supplied gear, although not specific to what gear you actually hear these differences.

 

I would like understand where you are coming from, but without specific examples I cannot do the comparison myself.

 

Did you get a chance to compare a K712 next to a HE-500

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