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Originally Posted by DemonFox View Post
 

Has anyone had the chance to compare the bass of the K712's to the bass of the Philips X1's? I've got the K712's in my cart and I'm about to pull the trigger but if the bass is still as light as the other models then I'm out. Can someone help me out here? 

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

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The K712 has more bass than the Q701 and K702.

Not much more, but the difference is clearly and immediately noticeable -

at least to my ears.

 

 

I've not heard the X1.

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

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Originally Posted by DemonFox View Post

 
Has anyone had the chance to compare the bass of the K712's to the bass of the Philips X1's? I've got the K712's in my cart and I'm about to pull the trigger but if the bass is still as light as the other models then I'm out. Can someone help me out here? 

Thanks,

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I have both of them.  The X1 has more bass, but the K712 has more bass than the other x70x. 

What other models are you referring to?  

The ones that you were referring to. K7xx series. Thanks for the heads up!

Thanks,

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The only thing I am worried about is that 2khz emphasis... The spike along with significant lack of subbass together ruin Q701 for me. Its not offensive to ears but it makes the headphone sound off with so many instruments and voices as well =/

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Originally Posted by emertxe View Post
 

The only thing I am worried about is that 2khz emphasis... The spike along with significant lack of subbass together ruin Q701 for me. Its not offensive to ears but it makes the headphone sound off with so many instruments and voices as well =/

 

I agree (in a general sense). I'm sick of the rolled-off sub-bass that's so common in dynamic cans. The lowest registers provide necessary atmosphere just like the highest registers do. There are many genres that don't contain much sub-bass at all, and in those cases its fine, but if your music contains low-end bass then rolled-off sub-bass equals missing information.


Edited by devhen - 9/25/13 at 6:37am
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Hmm so does that mean Q701 = K712 Pro in terms of SQ? Sorry but I am new to AKG's flagship model or any of their high end stuff xD what a shame as a K550 fan xD
post #1596 of 3053
Absolutely not. Since the K712 is very comparable to the K702 Anniversary bar a few changes, they are NOT going to sound like the Q701. They are warmer, smoother, and bassier. There is NO denying which would be which in a blind comparison. The only ones who think they sound the same need their ears checked. Seriously.
post #1597 of 3053
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Absolutely not. Since the K712 is very comparable to the K702 Anniversary bar a few changes, they are NOT going to sound like the Q701. They are warmer, smoother, and bassier. There is NO denying which would be which in a blind comparison. The only ones who think they sound the same need their ears checked. Seriously.

Thanks for the clarification! Would you say the DT880 250Ohm better than the K712? smily_headphones1.gif
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Originally Posted by BillsonChang007 View Post

Thanks for the clarification! Would you say the DT880 250Ohm better than the K712? smily_headphones1.gif

 

I haven't heard the K712 yet so I can't answer that but I will say that you need to be infinitely more specific. ;) Better in what way?

 

Not only are these things very subjective but every headphone has its strengths and weaknesses. Rarely will you find one that is hands-down "better" than another in every way.


Edited by devhen - 9/25/13 at 7:23am
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Originally Posted by devhen View Post

I haven't heard the K712 yet so I can't answer that but I will say that you need to be infinitely more specific. wink.gif Better in what way?

Not only are these things very subjective but every headphone has its strengths and weaknesses. Rarely will you find one that is hands-down "better" than another in every way.

Basically, I am looking for new and final update home reference rig and will be using it until like 2-3 years? Final headphone set-up doesn't mean I am quitting but I am going for speaker next [hehe]

Trying to squeeze everything under $800-$1000 for both headphone and amp/DAC been debating a lot lately, have been considering HE-500, SRH-1440, DT880 250Ohm, AKG K712 Pro. With the remaining cash for DAC/amp combo. Been thinking of updating these since last year late December and I am to have enough money for it already but it's funny how the closer I am in achieving, the more I struggle on which to get! Prefer excellent timbre(Natural sound, not too colored), imaging and do not appreciate strong bass response at all. Comfort comes next after SQ. I might as well wait for the FiiO X5 and see if it suit my needs and heard it will be running at around $400.

I was supposed to get a mid-fi set-up but realizing that I already have one so yeah, something around $600~ will do me good + a $200-$400 amp/DAC for me to drive the headphone smily_headphones1.gif

Thanks!
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As far as quickness the AKG K712 Pro holds its own against the HE-500.

 

Here are the 500 Hz and 50 Hz Square Wave responses:

 

500Hz

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=4&graphID[]=4163&graphID[]=3241&scale=30

 

See how the HE-500 and AKG K712 Pro have almost identical rise times and slopes.

 

50Hz

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=3&graphID[]=4163&graphID[]=3241&scale=30

 

The same goes for the 50Hz Square Wave Response.  The major difference here is that the dynamic headphone decays as it should compared to the Ortho.

 

In fact in many ways the AKG K712 Pro is quicker because quickness cues often come from treble response.  The AKG K712 Pro has more 2kHz and 6kHz response giving rise to it actually sounding quicker.

 

Reasons to buy the AKG K712 Pro over the HE-500:

 

1.) Saving at least $200

2.)  The AKG K712 Pro is more comfortable

3.)  The AKG K712 Pro has a wider soundstage

4.)  AKG K712 Pro is not made in a factory in China

5.)  There is more treble response with the AKG K712 Pro

6.)  There is more midrange response making the AKG K712 Pro sound clearer on vocal tracks.

7.)  The AKG K712 Pro has lower Harmonic Distortion

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=1&graphID[]=4163&graphID[]=3241&scale=30

8.)  The AKG isolates slightly more than the HE-500

http://graphs.headphone.com/graphCompare.php?graphType=6&graphID[]=4163&graphID[]=3241&scale=30

 

So other than opinion are there any measurements supporting that the HE-500 is better than the AKG K712 Pro?

 

The human hearing response and preference is not a straight horizontal line in the frequency response so many Orthos, although ruler flat, miss the mark in that respect.

 

Sure any headphone can sound "better" than another and this is called preference.  I can see reasons for owning both, but for the reasons I have listed I prefer the AKG K712 Pro.  It measures extremely well too.

 

Many Orthos I have heard sound oddly colored in the midrange because of how ruler flat they are in that frequency range.  The HE-500 and LCD-3 do not suffer from this issue as much as the LCD-2 and HE-400.  Due to their lack of soundstage and often treble the quickness cues and positioning are lost making them sound inferior at times.


Edited by NA Blur - 9/25/13 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I think the problem with the HE400 is it's polarizi g sound signature. I doubt the HE500 is like that. It probably would be what you'd want in a planar, Evs.
Good info, thanks. As you may know, my issue was just that the mids on the HE400 were just so recessed that vocals sounded annoyingly distant.
post #1602 of 3053

using words like controlled/tightness, quantity, and impact how does the bass(k712) fair against the hd650 and he500?

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post



Absolutely not. Since the K712 is very comparable to the K702 Anniversary bar a few changes, they are NOT going to sound like the Q701. They are warmer, smoother, and bassier. There is NO denying which would be which in a blind comparison. The only ones who think they sound the same need their ears checked. Seriously.



Mad Lust,



 



Being that I see you on this thread(k712) and the the Alpha Dog. Which one are you more interested in and have the higher hopes for.



Might be an unfair question huh. lol " src="http://files.head-fi.org/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" />" src="http://files.head-fi.org/images/smilies/evil_smiley.gif" />

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Originally Posted by NA Blur View Post
 

2.)  The AKG K712 Pro is more comfortable

 

This. I mean hifiman's are seriously some uncomfortable headphones. Plus they tend to leave leakage points to the below ear area (at least with my head type they do).

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Dammit, thanks to you guys I've suddenly decided I'm getting these K712s. There goes 380 bucks, thanks a lot.

 

..... jk, it will totally be worth it. :)

 

Has anyone here heard the K612? At just $199 it seems like they might be a great bargain.

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