I have both of them. The X1 has more bass, but the K712 has more bass than the other x70x.
What other models are you referring to?
The ones that you were referring to. K7xx series. Thanks for the heads up!
The only thing I am worried about is that 2khz emphasis... The spike along with significant lack of subbass together ruin Q701 for me. Its not offensive to ears but it makes the headphone sound off with so many instruments and voices as well =/
I agree (in a general sense). I'm sick of the rolled-off sub-bass that's so common in dynamic cans. The lowest registers provide necessary atmosphere just like the highest registers do. There are many genres that don't contain much sub-bass at all, and in those cases its fine, but if your music contains low-end bass then rolled-off sub-bass equals missing information.
I haven't heard the K712 yet so I can't answer that but I will say that you need to be infinitely more specific. ;) Better in what way?
Not only are these things very subjective but every headphone has its strengths and weaknesses. Rarely will you find one that is hands-down "better" than another in every way.
As far as quickness the AKG K712 Pro holds its own against the HE-500.
Here are the 500 Hz and 50 Hz Square Wave responses:
See how the HE-500 and AKG K712 Pro have almost identical rise times and slopes.
The same goes for the 50Hz Square Wave Response. The major difference here is that the dynamic headphone decays as it should compared to the Ortho.
In fact in many ways the AKG K712 Pro is quicker because quickness cues often come from treble response. The AKG K712 Pro has more 2kHz and 6kHz response giving rise to it actually sounding quicker.
Reasons to buy the AKG K712 Pro over the HE-500:
1.) Saving at least $200
2.) The AKG K712 Pro is more comfortable
3.) The AKG K712 Pro has a wider soundstage
4.) AKG K712 Pro is not made in a factory in China
5.) There is more treble response with the AKG K712 Pro
6.) There is more midrange response making the AKG K712 Pro sound clearer on vocal tracks.
7.) The AKG K712 Pro has lower Harmonic Distortion
8.) The AKG isolates slightly more than the HE-500
So other than opinion are there any measurements supporting that the HE-500 is better than the AKG K712 Pro?
The human hearing response and preference is not a straight horizontal line in the frequency response so many Orthos, although ruler flat, miss the mark in that respect.
Sure any headphone can sound "better" than another and this is called preference. I can see reasons for owning both, but for the reasons I have listed I prefer the AKG K712 Pro. It measures extremely well too.
Many Orthos I have heard sound oddly colored in the midrange because of how ruler flat they are in that frequency range. The HE-500 and LCD-3 do not suffer from this issue as much as the LCD-2 and HE-400. Due to their lack of soundstage and often treble the quickness cues and positioning are lost making them sound inferior at times.
Being that I see you on this thread(k712) and the the Alpha Dog. Which one are you more interested in and have the higher hopes for.
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This. I mean hifiman's are seriously some uncomfortable headphones. Plus they tend to leave leakage points to the below ear area (at least with my head type they do).
Dammit, thanks to you guys I've suddenly decided I'm getting these K712s. There goes 380 bucks, thanks a lot.
..... jk, it will totally be worth it. :)
Has anyone here heard the K612? At just $199 it seems like they might be a great bargain.