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You can find some NuForce products on amazon. I'm contemplating the iDo.
I once contacted a seller and asked why they were pricing their product way above market value and what people would pay, they responded that they were out of stock but didn't want to remove their listing and re-add it later, so just raised the price so people wouldn't buy.

 

Yes but not all of them. I bought a UDH-100 and an Icon HDP before that and before that a uDAC2 on Amazon. 

It's neat to see that the K712's are now on amazon and prime eligible.  

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Yes but not all of them. I bought a UDH-100 and an Icon HDP before that and before that a uDAC2 on Amazon. 

It's neat to see that the K712's are now on amazon and prime eligible.  
Oh cool!
The sparse reviews on their products look promising, and of course NuForce's own marketing puts their products in a good light. If I do most of my music listening via iPod even at home, and all my files are AAC 256kbps or Apple Lossless from CDs anywa


HOLY CRAP! Was listening to music while typing, near the beginning of "Hannah" by Freelance Whales, there's like a clattering sound in the background, it was so real I instantly paused the music and switched off my iPad, cuz I thought my mom was doing something with coat hangers or something behind me in the hallway!

Where was I? Oh. NuForce. Is there anything substantial to their bad reputation with Objectivists, or is the iDo a worthy purchase worth giving NuForce a try?
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Loving the tones of the bells near the end of Coldplay's "Spies" with these K712, playing straight out from my iPod's headphone jack actually. Starting at 4:19.
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post


Oh cool!
The sparse reviews on their products look promising, and of course NuForce's own marketing puts their products in a good light. If I do most of my music listening via iPod even at home, and all my files are AAC 256kbps or Apple Lossless from CDs anywa


HOLY CRAP! Was listening to music while typing, near the beginning of "Hannah" by Freelance Whales, there's like a clattering sound in the background, it was so real I instantly paused the music and switched off my iPad, cuz I thought my mom was doing something with coat hangers or something behind me in the hallway!

Where was I? Oh. NuForce. Is there anything substantial to their bad reputation with Objectivists, or is the iDo a worthy purchase worth giving NuForce a try?

 

I don't know about the iDo but Nuforce is pretty good. I love my UDH-100 even with just the single USB input. 

However I am not thrilled with the headphones amps on both the HDP and the UDH-100. The DAC is fantastic but not the HP amp in my opinion. I various vintage amps with mine and usually use it with a Marantz 4400 so it's not a problem at all. If you use the nuforce amp you almost have to turn it up 100% to adequately drive the headphones. My K702 often times is acceptable at 100% volume! Same with DT990 600 Ohm and I assume it would be the same with the K712. 
 


Edited by harrinj - 9/17/13 at 5:30am
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Welcome to the promised land, skip!
So the headset was amazing for gaming, with superb positioning from the sound card, but how do they make you feel?
I'm going to relax to some music and sleep, was on the phone with Straight Talk on behalf of a customer for an hour and a half today... Probably could've saved 5 minutes if there wasn't the language/accent barrier while we traded serial numbers, and saved basically an hour if first I'd had the last guy (a regular technitian) who actually understood what I was asking them to do (though the supervisor inbetween was nice, and very patient). I also give props to the last guy I talked to, not only did he finally resolve my customer's issue activating their phone, I think behind the scenes he was creative at finding a solution/workaround.

TL;DR
I need to relax and enjoy something.

They make me feel like I'm actually there, spatially.
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Sorry, I'm a latecomer to the thread.  Has anyone yet, or here somewhere in these 102 pages, done a straight comparison between the K702 and the K712?  The 712 sounds awesome, but is double the price of the 702.

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Kouzelna,

I was "Live Chronicaling" my experiences switching from Q701 to K712 in my journal thread linked in my signature. Being able to distinguish the differences will become harder as I become more used to the K712, but I'm using the K712 a lot now. Hope that helps a bit.

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Originally Posted by Kouzelna View Post
 

Sorry, I'm a latecomer to the thread.  Has anyone yet, or here somewhere in these 102 pages, done a straight comparison between the K702 and the K712?  The 712 sounds awesome, but is double the price of the 702.

 

 

I don't believe anyone has compared to a K702 directly.  I've compared K712 and K702 Anniversary, but the Anniversary sounds different than the K702.  I also compared the K712 to the Anniversary + Q701 pads, which is equivalent to comparing to a Q701.

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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

Being able to distinguish the differences will become harder as I become more used to the K712, but I'm using the K712 a lot now. Hope that helps a bit.

 

It sounds like you successfully made it through the initial adjustment phase between the Q701 and K712.  That's the hardest part IMO, and once you get past it it gets easier to appreciate what the K712s bring to the table.

 

It sounds like your now warming up to the K712.  ;) 

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

 

I don't believe anyone has compared to a K702 directly.  I've compared K712 and K702 Anniversary, but the Anniversary sounds different than the K702.  I also compared the K712 to the Anniversary + Q701 pads, which is equivalent to comparing to a Q701.

 

Dude where is that comparison I am literally minutes away from purchasing the annie and want to know if I should save a little more for the k712

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Dude where is that comparison I am literally minutes away from purchasing the annie and want to know if I should save a little more for the k712

 

 

It's scattered around a bit, but lucky for you I've consolidated some of it.

 

The short version is:

 

K712: slightly warmer, more body, a tad more bass, smoother, lusher, more liquid sounding, blacker background, a little more open soundstage.
 
K702 65th Anniversary:  A little drier, slightly faster sounding, a bit lighter, thinner, and airier, a bit less body and bass, more upper mids, a little more intimate soundstage.
 
Here's a couple more notes (Click to show)
 
They're a bit different sounding. The K712 is a little warmer and has more fullness and body, a little more bass, a blacker background, sounds a little more smooth and liquid-like, and is a little more open.  The K702 Anniversary is a little lighter, drier,  faster, airier, and more intimate.
 
Personally, I prefer the sound of the K712 overall, but I think the Anniversary looks better.

The main advantage I hear on the Anniversary is it having the air be a tad more forward in the mix.  The K712 still has air, it's just less forward.  I think the timbre of instruments sounds a little more natural on the K712 though.  Also, the K712 is slightly less intimate sounding thanks to its deeper pads.  Having more body while simultaneously being a slighlty more open is a cool combination and can work well for classical.

It's not definitely not as drastic as the difference between Q701 and the Anniversary.  It's more like it trades the Anniversaries upper mids and dryness for more overall body and a more liquid sound.  Luckily, the soundstage doesn't sound any smaller like on the Q701>Anniversary, because the K712s deeper pads cancel it out.   I think one of the main reasons the Q701>Anniversary sounds more intimate is actually because of those closer pads, more-so than the actual warmer signature.  I did a lot of pad swapping between the two and the pads made a bigger difference in how intimate the soundstage was than I thought they would.

While I appreciate the Anniversary's greater sense of air, there's also something a bit thin, harsh, and peaky somewhere in the mids that bothers me a little when I go back to them after listening to the K712.  The K712 smooths out the upper mids even more and is just really rich, full, and unfatiguing sounding.  It's one of the least fatiguing headphones I've heard.

At first when I tried the K712, a kind of missed the edgier upper mids with female vocals, but once I adjusted I didn't really mind  - and when I went back to the Anniversaries I noticed that those upper mids brought with them some dry peaky harshness that bothered me a little.
 
So those edgier mids can be double-edged in that they can sound good for some things like enunciation with female vocals but have the potential to harshen some other things.  The K712s rounds them off a tad but also adds better body and fullness to compensate and keep the mids interesting.  It's an area where I could see some people preferring one way to the other, but I found myself preferring the K712's approach as it sounded more full, natural, and less fatiguing.  

 
The objects/instruments sound larger and meatier with more body yet at the same time the K712 still manages to have a slightly larger soundstage then the Anniversary.  The pads play a big role in that.  This is one of the things that sealed the deal for me on the K712.  It's always impressive when a headphone pulls off body alongside an open soundstage, and the K712 does this more impressively than the Anniversary.


 
 
 
 

Edited by chicolom - 9/18/13 at 6:28pm
post #1527 of 3242
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

 

It's scattered around a bit, but lucky for you I've consolidated some of it.

 

The short version is:

 

K712: slightly warmer, more body, a tad more bass, smoother, lusher, more liquid sounding, blacker background, a little more open soundstage.
 
K702 65th Anniversary:  A little drier, slightly faster sounding, a bit lighter, thinner, and airier, a bit less body and bass, more upper mids, a little more intimate soundstage.
 
Here's a couple more notes (Click to show)
 
They're a bit different sounding. The K712 is a little warmer and has more fullness and body, a little more bass, a blacker background, sounds a little more smooth and liquid-like, and is a little more open.  The K702 Anniversary is a little lighter, drier,  faster, airier, and more intimate.
 
Personally, I prefer the sound of the K712 overall, but I think the Anniversary looks better.

The main advantage I hear on the Anniversary is it having the air be a tad more forward in the mix.  The K712 still has air, it's just less forward.  I think the timbre of instruments sounds a little more natural on the K712 though.  Also, the K712 is slightly less intimate sounding thanks to its deeper pads.  Having more body while simultaneously being a slighlty more open is a cool combination and can work well for classical.

It's not definitely not as drastic as the difference between Q701 and the Anniversary.  It's more like it trades the Anniversaries upper mids and dryness for more overall body and a more liquid sound.  Luckily, the soundstage doesn't sound any smaller like on the Q701>Anniversary, because the K712s deeper pads cancel it out.   I think one of the main reasons the Q701>Anniversary sounds more intimate is actually because of those closer pads, more-so than the actual warmer signature.  I did a lot of pad swapping between the two and the pads made a bigger difference in how intimate the soundstage was than I thought they would.

While I appreciate the Anniversary's greater sense of air, there's also something a bit thin, harsh, and peaky somewhere in the mids that bothers me a little when I go back to them after listening to the K712.  The K712 smooths out the upper mids even more and is just really rich, full, and unfatiguing sounding.  It's one of the least fatiguing headphones I've heard.

At first when I tried the K712, a kind of missed the edgier upper mids with female vocals, but once I adjusted I didn't really mind  - and when I went back to the Anniversaries I noticed that those upper mids brought with them some dry peaky harshness that bothered me a little.
 
So those edgier mids can be double-edged in that they can sound good for some things like enunciation with female vocals but have the potential to harshen some other things.  The K712s rounds them off a tad but also adds better body and fullness to compensate and keep the mids interesting.  It's an area where I could see some people preferring one way to the other, but I found myself preferring the K712's approach as it sounded more full, natural, and less fatiguing.  

 
The objects/instruments sound larger and meatier with more body yet at the same time the K712 still manages to have a slightly larger soundstage then the Anniversary.  The pads play a big role in that.  This is one of the things that sealed the deal for me on the K712.  It's always impressive when a headphone pulls off body alongside an open soundstage, and the K712 does this more impressively than the Anniversary.


 
 
 
 

 

wow as non fatiguing as say an hd650 that is awesome and If I get the anny its only to upgrade to the k712. You describe it like my perfect headphone or something. I would like to see it go up against the alpha dog.

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Personally I would just to straight to the K712 if it sounds good to you.  It's not that much more expensive.  Razordog had them for 385 shipped.

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oh wow. Razordog huh. Thanks again btw. but 280 vs 385 is a difference. 

plus http://www.razordogaudio.com/collections/frontpage/products/akg-k712-pro-open-back-reference-studio-headphone

shows its 490 or so


Edited by grizzlybeast - 9/18/13 at 6:48pm
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oh wow. Razordog huh. Thanks again btw. but 280 vs 385 is a difference. 

plus http://www.razordogaudio.com/collections/frontpage/products/akg-k712-pro-open-back-reference-studio-headphone

shows its 490 or so

 

 

Where can you get the Anniversaries new for $280?

 

With razordog you always put in coupon codes that knock off 100 or more.  "razordogk712" was the coupon for 385 shipped.

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