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This tread needs more K712 reviews/impressions :o

 

Fair enough. The upper-mids spike makes the increased bass less noticeable in comparison to something like the DT880 or HD600 because it effects the volume level you listen at and can take your attention away from the bass and other frequencies. Additionally, the upper mids can be fatiguing at times when listening at reasonably high volume levels. Other than that these are fantastic. The soundtage and instrument separation is easily better than both the DT880 and HD600. These also seem to have, overall, slightly more detail than those two though I'm unsure how much of that is due to the sound signature and the improved separation as opposed to the drivers actually being more resolving.

 

They are extremely comfortable. They don't clamp very much at all which I could see bothering some people. The DT880 and HD600 feel more secure on my head and are more comfortable in that regard but the K712 are very comfortable. I like the memory foam pads a lot. I suspect they won't as easily become depressed over time as the velours on the DT880 and HD600 do.

 

Not sure what else to say right now. I like to really give a heaphone a lot of head time before i feel confident in all of its abilities/weaknesses/etc. I'm happy to answer any questions you have though.


Edited by devhen - 10/3/13 at 2:18pm
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Fair enough. The upper-mids spike makes the increased bass less noticeable in comparison to something like the DT880 or HD600 because it effects the volume level you listen at and can take your attention away from the bass and other frequencies. Additionally, the upper mids can be fatiguing at times when listening at reasonably high volume levels. Other than that these are fantastic. The soundtage and instrument separation is easily better than both the DT880 and HD600. These also seem to have, overall, slightly more detail than those two though I'm unsure how much of that is due to the sound signature and the improved separation as opposed to the drivers actually being more resolving.

 

They are extremely comfortable. They don't clamp very much at all which I could see bothering some people. The DT880 and HD600 feel more secure on my head and are more comfortable in that regard but the K712 are very comfortable. I like the memory foam pads a lot. I suspect they won't as easily become depressed over time as the velours on the DT880 and HD600 do.

 

Not sure what else to say right now. I like to really give a heaphone a lot of head time before i feel confident in all of its abilities/weaknesses/etc. I'm happy to answer any questions you have though.

 

I see you have a pair of pro 900s. Comparison of the bass? 

:p 

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I see you have a pair of pro 900s. Comparison of the bass? 

:p 

 

K712 bass: smooth (no spikes or valleys) and well extended, nice texture, no obvious faults. Overall really quite good. Sorry I'm not very good at which terms I should use to properly describe the bass.

 

PRO 900 bass: hurts my ears and is so boomy that some of that awesome Utrasone bass texture is actually lost in the boom. I highly recommend the PRO 750 over the PRO 900-- still a bassy headphone and it retains the awesome Ultrasone bass texture while not 'booming' itself all over the other frequencies and giving you ear aches.


Edited by devhen - 10/3/13 at 2:33pm
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I see you have a pair of pro 900s. Comparison of the bass? 

:p 

 

K712 bass: smooth (no spikes or valleys) and well extended, nice texture, no obvious faults. Overall really quite good. Sorry I'm not very good at which terms I should us to properly describe the bass.

 

PRO 900 bass: hurts my ears and is so boomy that some of the awesome Utrasone bass texture is actually lost in the boom. I highly recommend the PRO 750 over the PRO 900-- still a bassy headphone and it retains that awesome Ultrasone bass texture while not 'booming' itself all over the other frequencies and giving you ear aches.

 

Lol! it was more of a joke than anything. I had a pair of pro 900s... for a few days. Man, that bass was intense. Talk about pressure levels. 

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Fair enough. The upper-mids spike makes the increased bass less noticeable in comparison to something like the DT880 or HD600 because it effects the volume level you listen at and can take your attention away from the bass and other frequencies. Additionally, the upper mids can be fatiguing at times when listening at reasonably high volume levels. Other than that these are fantastic. The soundtage and instrument separation is easily better than both the DT880 and HD600. These also seem to have, overall, slightly more detail than those two though I'm unsure how much of that is due to the sound signature and the improved separation as opposed to the drivers actually being more resolving.

 

They are extremely comfortable. They don't clamp very much at all which I could see bothering some people. The DT880 and HD600 feel more secure on my head and are more comfortable in that regard but the K712 are very comfortable. I like the memory foam pads a lot. I suspect they won't as easily become depressed over time as the velours on the DT880 and HD600 do.

 

Not sure what else to say right now. I like to really give a heaphone a lot of head time before i feel confident in all of its abilities/weaknesses/etc. I'm happy to answer any questions you have though.

Thanks, I have a hard time deciding between the K712, hd600 and maybe the srh1840.. I listen string quartets, solo piano and some other chamber music on my GS1000 and K501, but I am in desperate need of a headphone for Mahler/Shostakovich symphonies and concertos. Soundstage, separation, detail, good realistic bass, and more in general, comfortable for long time use, including soundwise..

 

The K501 is not bad for orchestral violence, better then the GS1000, but I would like more weight and detail..more balance..The Grado is perfect for piano and chamber and small Jazz stuff, symphonies on the other hand are a no go, I really dislike the overpowering bass..

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Thanks, I have a hard time deciding between the K712, hd600 and maybe the srh1840.. I listen string quartets, solo piano and some other chamber music on my GS1000 and K501, but I am in desperate need of a headphone for Mahler/Shostakovich symphonies and concertos. Soundstage, separation, detail, good realistic bass, and more in general, comfortable for long time use, including soundwise..

 

The K501 is not bad for orchestral violence, better then the GS1000, but I would like more weight and detail..more balance..The Grado is perfect for piano and chamber and small Jazz stuff, symphonies on the other hand are a no go, I really dislike the overpowering bass..

 

HD600 are not going to deliver you soundstage and detail, not at all... You should discard them from your list.

Shure 1840 is going to be good in terms of soundstage, light and airy sound, detail, comfort but it lacks realistic bass (it significantly lacks subbass that is very important)!

 

From these 3, I say go for K712 Pro and never look back... Or add Q701 to your list possibly but IMHO they lack subbass as well.


Edited by emertxe - 10/4/13 at 5:34am
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HD600 are not going to deliver you soundstage and detail, not at all... You should discard them from your list.

Shure 1840 is going to be good in terms of soundstage, light and airy sound, detail, comfort but it lacks realistic bass (it significantly lacks subbass that is very important)!

 

From these 3, I say go for K712 Pro and never look back... Or add Q701 to your list possibly but IMHO they lack subbass as well.

Thanks, are there others in the approximate price range to consider?

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My reference headphones are Sennheiser HD800 because they are the most neutral and most spacious cans I've ever heard to date (to put my opinions into context):

 

Beyerdynamic DT880 600ohm are neutral from bass to highs except for the Beyer's typical emphasis around 9khz which makes cymbals sound unnaturally pronounced. Soundstage is also rather mediocre than great (they definitely lack depth). Detail is nice but a little bit unnatural (it's pushed towards you through the mentioned emphasis).

 

Shure 1840 are very good in a quite a lot of areas - they are light/airy, with a quality sounstage (though lack depth in comparison with HD800) and detail and reasonably neutral FR. However, female vocals sound somehow a bit off and their highs a bit plastic. The biggest dealbreaker IMHO is the lack of subbass though... It's really significant and I wouldnt be able to live with that (realise that I adore HD800's bass so I am definitely not a basshead :-) ).

 

AKQ Q701 - really good soundstage that only lacks depth in comparison with HD800 and is absolutely comparable with 1840. The biggest problem are 2khz spike that makes vocals sound off tonally and their lack of more subbass which does not help when listening to bass drum or symphonic passages. Vocals lack a bit of depth and treble is a bit plastic sounding as well.

 

HD600 - please do not consider them... They are too slow, mellow, with very bad soundstaging and rather veiled details to be considered as a good classical headphone. I enjoyed listening to them side by side with the other headphones mentioned a lot as they sound quite natural and enjoyable but no, do not buy them for classical music or similar.

 

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K712 Pro - I unfortunately havent heard them yet but desperately want so... These are the only ones I would trust below 500USD. The only thing I would be worry about is that 2khz spike... Its not going to be offensive to your ears IMHO but it could put some vocals or instruments slightly off tonally.

 

EDIT: To make you understand better, HD800 offer more developed soundstage with more 3D effect and better imaging, with no problems like center image (which is common to x7xx line that sounds rather L - center - R than compact). But you just cannot expect perfection from 500USD headphone in terms of soundstaging, of course, and thats why I rather focused on basic description than nitpicking.


Edited by emertxe - 10/4/13 at 6:22am
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:beerchug: Thanks

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:beerchug: Thanks

 

Not a problem :) I would really go and try those K712 Pro... Rather than HE-400, Q701, DT880, 1840, HD600 etc. K712 are by far the safest choice - comfort, soundstage, very balanced FR... What's there not to like? As I said, you could only find that 2khz emphasis troublesome but people seem to agree that it's not as significant as with previous x7xx headphones :-)

 

Spoiler: I would buy them myself if wanted to downgrade from HD800 :-)

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Anyone willing to conduct an HD800 vs AKG K712 Pro review?  I will try to create this review over the weekend.

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It is not as if the K712 Pro is the best headphone I have heard.  I leave that spot for headphones like the SR-009 from the BHSE and LCD-3 through the m903, but for the price the K712 does some things so well.  It is a headphone that clearly shows how good reference material can sound and how other tracks in my collections are just not that well recorded, produced, or to my liking.

 

Sure it is a rehash in design, but at least AKG made positive improvements and is moving forward.  If the situation was reversed and the rehash was a step back we could discuss that in a different thread, but as it stands they are an improvement over the other headphones in the K7xx line and Q701.

 

I will be listening along with Foobar on random and all of a sudden a track will really engage me.  The K712 Pro does this effortlessly and there are definite wow moments.

 

Hope you all have a great weekend and I will be sure to post the K712 Pro vs HD800 review when I finish writing it.


Edited by NA Blur - 10/4/13 at 1:40pm
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It is not as if the K712 Pro is the best headphone I have heard.  I leave that spot for headphones like the SR-009 from the BHSE and LCD-3 through the m903, but for the price the K712 does some things so well.  It is a headphone that clearly shows how good reference material can sound and how other tracks in my collections are just not that well recorded, produced, or to my liking.

 

Sure it is a rehash in design, but at least AKG made positive improvements and is moving forward.  If the situation was reversed and the rehash was a step back we could discuss that in a different thread, but as it stands they are an improvement over the other headphones in the K7xx line and Q701.

 

I will be listening along with Foobar on random and all of a sudden a track will really engage me.  The K712 Pro makes does this effortlessly and there are definite wow moments.

 

Hope you all have a great weekend and I will be sure to post the K712 Pro vs HD800 review when I finish writing it.

 

Would like to do the exact review as well, though no K712 Pro here unfortunately... Good luck with the review, will for sure read it :-) Q701 are really good for the price and if K712 Pro improve on them in terms of subbass, vocals and electric guitars (or treble in general), then they will really get my highest recommendation.

 

Btw, try to review from both subjective and objective sides... HD800 are definitely a technical cans for analytical listeners while K712 Pro could be more bass-mids focused with more "fun" involved.


Edited by emertxe - 10/4/13 at 11:05am
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@NA Blur: Thanks! Really looking forward to your K712/HD800 review.

 

@emertxe: Thanks for your various impressions they are quite accurate and aligned with my experience aside from your thoughts on the HD600. I'm just not hearing it as you describe. The HD600 are easily a great headphone for classical. In fact if tonal accuracy is your very top priority, which I imagine it is with some classical listening folks, then it very well may be the very best choice out there. While they do have a small soundstage compared to something like the K712 they compete quite well with them in pretty much every other way. I've noticed that because of the HD600's extremely smooth signature they can seem dull at first depending on what headphone you were previously listening to but that doesn't last long. The more I use the HD600 the more I realize how capable they are. I've heard they scale super well and they did improve and sound awesome out of my G109. I'm building a Crack soon and that should provide an even better HD600 experience including purportedly improved bass. I wouldn't recommend anyone shy away from them unless soundstage size is at the very top of your list of needs.

 

I'm really liking the K712 but I want more time with them to feel really confident with my overall assessment. So far I've liked them so much that I haven't been able to do very much A/B'ing since they've pretty much stayed on my head exclusively. ;)


Edited by devhen - 10/4/13 at 11:57am
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@NA Blur: Thanks! Really looking forward to your K712/HD800 review.

 

@emertxe: Thanks for your various impressions they are quite accurate and aligned with my experience aside from your thoughts on the HD600. I'm just not hearing it as you describe. The HD600 are easily a great headphone for classical. In fact if tonal accuracy is your very top priority, which I imagine it is with some classical listening folks, then it very well may be the very best choice out there. While they do have a small soundstage compared to something like the K712 they compete quite well with them in pretty much every other way. I've noticed that because of the HD600's extremely smooth signature they can seem dull at first depending on what headphone you were previously listening to but that doesn't last long. The more I use the HD600 the more I realize how capable they are. I've heard they scale super well and they did improve and sound awesome out of my G109. I'm building a Crack soon and that should provide an even better HD600 experience including purportedly improved bass. I wouldn't recommend anyone shy away from them unless soundstage size is at the very top of your list of needs.

 

I'm really liking the K712 but I want more time with them to feel really confident with my overall assessment. So far I've liked them so much that I haven't been able to do very much A/B'ing since they've pretty much stayed on my head exclusively. ;)

 

I do like HD600 a lot! And I find their slower nature completely alright (while HD650 are too slow and veiled IMHO to be called a true hi-fi headphones). On the other hand, they just don't have enough detail and soundstage to work really well with classical or acoustic music IMHO :-) I have enjoyed listening to rock or metal a lot with them... They have some very tiny slight midbass emphasis that makes them sound "fun"... They are also consistent from midbass to highs... Only lacking in subbass territory to be called "neutral". I dont know, I just wouldnt like them for classical but it seems there are some who think differently :-)

 

I guess I just like soundstage and fast headphones more for these genres... So what about your opinion on the K712? Any comparison to x70x or HD800?


Edited by emertxe - 10/4/13 at 12:15pm
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