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post #46 of 316

Received the S2 yesterday and I am really impressed so far. Top tier sound for little money.

Just a warning, the short stem and shape meant that I could only barely get a good seal with the large tips. If I didn't have some Meelec triple flange those would have gone straight to the sale forum.

post #47 of 316
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Received the S2 yesterday and I am really impressed so far. Top tier sound for little money.

 

 

+1

 

Got my S1 today. Very satisfying sound. Will post some impressions later.

post #48 of 316
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Received the S2 yesterday and I am really impressed so far. Top tier sound for little money.

Just a warning, the short stem and shape meant that I could only barely get a good seal with the large tips. If I didn't have some Meelec triple flange those would have gone straight to the sale forum.

They really aren't designed to seal like a traditional IEM though are they?  They look very similar in design to the Phiaton "half in-ear" series and those don't make a tight seal at all.  

post #49 of 316

Where have you read that was the case?

Without a seal the treble is quite sharp and painful and the bass gone...confused.gif ...but will experiment again with various tip sizes.

post #50 of 316
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Where have you read that was the case?
Without a seal the treble is quite sharp and painful and the bass gone...confused.gif
 ...but will experiment again with various tip sizes.

He means that they were designed for a more shallow insertion rather than a deep one. He said nothing about not needing a seal. The shallow insertion + open design => loss of passive isolation.
post #51 of 316

me no understand.....confused.gif so like a "loose" seal, similar to being a bit pregnant concept??

That's pretty clear from the design that those are supposed to be used with shallow insertion but you still need a good seal for them to sound good and for me it was only possible with the large tips while remaining still.

post #52 of 316

Got the S1 today and the sound quality is great for this price. I was worried about the sound leakage but it's not a problem - after comparing it to the NuForce NE-700M with closed back, it's only a little bit worse. The isolation also seems to be good enough. The remote works nice with the Galaxy S3 - the button feels very dependable unlike the one in the NuForce NE-700M.

post #53 of 316
I was referring more to the shallow insertion, I should have worded things better.

Still I am a bit surprised that a tight seal is so critical here. I have been using what looks to be a very similar design for a couple of years now with the Phiaton units and they sound very good with a fairly loose seal, especially compared to full insertion canal phones. I would say that is part of the benefit of those over traditional IEMs: you still get good sound without having to completely shut the world out. If the Philips don't follow suit they sound like a pass to me.
post #54 of 316

I have small ears and my ear canal is quite recessed so often have issue with fit. The Meelec triple flange have been a godsend for quite a few iems. The stem on the S2 is still unusually short for iem using that design.

post #55 of 316
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me no understand.....confused.gif so like a "loose" seal, similar to being a bit pregnant concept??

That's pretty clear from the design that those are supposed to be used with shallow insertion but you still need a good seal for them to sound good and for me it was only possible with the large tips while remaining still.

 

He stated nothing about a physically loose (incomplete) seal.  He just made a statement about shallow insertion.  Seal, obviously, like any other IEM, needs to be complete. 

post #56 of 316

Are you his papa?  confused.gif biggrin.gif


Edited by zenpunk - 4/19/13 at 11:36am
post #57 of 316
zenpunk,

Do you know if Sony hybrid tips will fit these by any chance? Those are the only tips I have ever had any luck with.
post #58 of 316

Yes they do. I like those as well.

post #59 of 316
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Are you his papa?  confused.gif biggrin.gif

 

No, but shallow insertion is recommended for quite a few IEMs to sound best. For example, HJE900 and FX700. It will help you in the long run if you understand the meaning.

post #60 of 316

Recommended by who exactly? and how do you know what sounds best to me? 

This argument is pointless and only nourish the ego of the know-it-all on this forum.


Edited by zenpunk - 4/19/13 at 1:02pm
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