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post #31 of 52

Well basically he says they are getting legal advice and they are checking what they can do against it legally, but as it's China and HK, they're afraid there's not much to do.

They have not patented their devices but they confirm it is not affiliated with Rein Audio.

 

To be continued

post #32 of 52
I have been dealing with Rein Audio customer service for the last few days and can say they are very concerned about this issue and are a legit company who stand by there products.
post #33 of 52
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Edited by dfarina - 5/23/13 at 5:34pm
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post #35 of 52
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

Look familiar? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/X7-DAC/380878360.html


Oh no....here we go againconfused_face_2.gif

post #36 of 52

That one does look different, no?

post #37 of 52
Rein Audio makes 2 DAC's the X3-DAC and the older X-DAC,this most recent clone we see here is of the X-DAC.Again it looks to be very close but MUCH cheaper.
post #38 of 52
Thread Starter 

This is strange...confused_face.gif

post #39 of 52

How funny that I find this thread. I recently had a chance to hear the Rein X-3 in my system. "That's pretty good" says I, "but it sure sounds familiar." I noticed the topology was not far off from my JF Digital HDM-03S which also uses dual WM8741 DACs supported by AD797 and OPA627. But the arrangement and the resulting sound was different enough to where I thought it to be coincidence. Then, a buddy showed me some mystery eBay DAC that he felt was a good buy, and there it was..... same exact sound, nearly identical design. 

 

So I go looking online and find this thread, where tomscy2000 has already done some brilliant detective work. I've never talked to the folks at Rein Audio but from what I can tell, the eBay model was around long before the X-3 was ever announced. My friend picked it up early last year. At that time Rein had barely released their original X-DAC (which I found very underwhelming). So I highly doubt they had the X-3 completed by then. 

 

It looks to me like this is a case of OEM rebadging, complete with massive price increase. I've seen this before when Decware took the Gigawork DAC found on eBay for a few hundred dollars, renamed it the ZDAC, and sold it for $875 (and implied it was worth far more than that). When people called them on it, they gave all sorts of excuses and questionable explanations, then eventually listed their ZDAC as "sold out" and waited for the whole thing to blow over.

 

I suspect this situation is the same, based on the dates of release. Could be wrong but I doubt it. 

post #40 of 52

Funny thing is Decware STILL hasn't even taken the Zdac off of their website lol. Been seeing it there for a couple of years now, too.

 

-Daniel

post #41 of 52
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Funny thing is Decware STILL hasn't even taken the Zdac off of their website lol. Been seeing it there for a couple of years now, too.

 

-Daniel

 

Yep, still there. Decware is a well respected company, but this was an uncharacteristic misstep for them. I would think they would pull the listing and try to forget all about it.

post #42 of 52
He, just ordered the Valab version because I wanted something cheap, balanced and physically matching my Stax amp (not much out there at 19cm width) and now stumble on this thread. Good to know people think it is actually worth $1000+ smily_headphones1.gif

I kind of felt bad at first, thinking about the blatant Lehman BCL cloning, but a young unknown company like this having both of their DAC's ripped seems very unlikely.
post #43 of 52
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I kind of felt bad at first, thinking about the blatant Lehman BCL cloning, but a young unknown company like this having both of their DAC's ripped seems very unlikely.

 

Yeah..... extremely unlikely. Especially when the "clone" products were being sold way earlier. 

post #44 of 52

Was there any more updates on this situation?

 

I was becoming interested in the Rein DAC and just stumbled apon this thread.

post #45 of 52

Nothing yet. I'm thinking of getting the Valab to compare both soundwise

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