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post #46 of 60
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I asked the good people at Resonessence and they say mid-late May shipping. Keep an eye on their twitter: it seems that they're on schedule. They also have a DAC/amp Concero in the works called the Concero HP.

 

So your setup is going to be LCD-3 + Soloist + Concero DSD DAC?  Why are you so excited about this DAC?  Is the regular Concero really good?  

 

Also, seeing how you had the LCD-2's previously, how do they compare to the LCD-3's for you?  Was it well worth the upgrade?  

post #47 of 60
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So your setup is going to be LCD-3 + Soloist + Concero DSD DAC?  Why are you so excited about this DAC?  Is the regular Concero really good?  

 

Also, seeing how you had the LCD-2's previously, how do they compare to the LCD-3's for you?  Was it well worth the upgrade?  

 

Well, I'm in need of an amp at the moment. The LCD 3+Soloist, though really nice sounding, was too polite for me. Not the same dynamics as the LCD2+Soloist combo. I was hoping that an aggressive and resolving dac could correct the situation; hence my interest in the Concero.

 

If you are picking up the LCD3s, I would strongly suggest to get better upstream equipment first. It is a lot more picky than the LCD2, and it is possible to build a better system around the 2s with a lesser amp. As for comparing the 2s and the 3s, I'm still waiting to upgrade my gear to a better amp/dac to make any substantiated comments. As of yet, on a Soloist/Dacport LX, being fed flac, the LCD2 are marginally better, losing only in treble and soundstage.

post #48 of 60
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Originally Posted by varyV View Post

 

Well, I'm in need of an amp at the moment. The LCD 3+Soloist, though really nice sounding, was too polite for me. Not the same dynamics as the LCD2+Soloist combo. I was hoping that an aggressive and resolving dac could correct the situation; hence my interest in the Concero.

 

If you are picking up the LCD3s, I would strongly suggest to get better upstream equipment first. It is a lot more picky than the LCD2, and it is possible to build a better system around the 2s with a lesser amp. As for comparing the 2s and the 3s, I'm still waiting to upgrade my gear to a better amp/dac to make any substantiated comments. As of yet, on a Soloist/Dacport LX, being fed flac, the LCD2 are marginally better, losing only in treble and soundstage.

 

Hmmm, this is really interesting.  


Let me know what you think once you get your new gear.  

 

I was thinking about getting a Conductor or Mjolnir/Gungnir with the LCD-3.  Now I'm starting to wonder if they would sound better paired with the LCD-2.2.  

 

Edit:  I wonder how the WDS-1 + WA6-SE would sound with the LCD-3?

 

Maybe I should just go with what I was originally looking at, the WA7 + LCD-2.2 combo...  Indecision may or may not be my problem...

 

Edit #2:  I keep reading where people are underwhelmed with the DAC portion of the WA7.  frown.gif


Edited by Meremoth - 5/10/13 at 1:04pm
post #49 of 60
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Hmmm, this is really interesting.  


Let me know what you think once you get your new gear.  

 

I was thinking about getting a Conductor or Mjolnir/Gungnir with the LCD-3.  Now I'm starting to wonder if they would sound better paired with the LCD-2.2.  

 

Edit:  I wonder how the WDS-1 + WA6-SE would sound with the LCD-3?

 

Maybe I should just go with what I was originally looking at, the WA7 + LCD-2.2 combo...  Indecision may or may not be my problem...

 

Edit #2:  I keep reading where people are underwhelmed with the DAC portion of the WA7.  frown.gif

 

 

Is it possible for you to audition? I would highly recommend that before buying. In the LCD-3 recommendations thread, there are a few impressions which are mirrored in my own for the Soloist/LCD 3 combo.

 

For my LCD 3 rig, I'm still waiting on an Yulong A18 and a Little Dot MK VI+ to audition. I'll keep whichever fits the bill better, though I've also heard that the Mjolnir's aggressiveness takes care of the LCD 3s laid back sound.

 

It boils down to what you would like to have more - a bigger bass slam with a crammed soundstage and cropped highs, or a lesser bass presence with an improved frequency response throughout the graph (and a bigger soundstage). For the 2s, I would highly recommend the Soloist...the combo is just brilliant...even with a budget dac like the Dacport LX or Dragonfly. For the 3s, well...I'll let you know what I find out.

post #50 of 60
I reviewed a WA7 with the stock tubes for Positive Feedback using a pair of Silver Dragon LCD-2's as my reference. I liked the combination so much that I finally purchased a silver WA7 with the stock tubes to use with my 17" MBP and LCD-2's at work. I find the combination, particularly with Silver Dragon cable, to be quite beguiling.
post #51 of 60
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Is it possible for you to audition? I would highly recommend that before buying. In the LCD-3 recommendations thread, there are a few impressions which are mirrored in my own for the Soloist/LCD 3 combo.

 

For my LCD 3 rig, I'm still waiting on an Yulong A18 and a Little Dot MK VI+ to audition. I'll keep whichever fits the bill better, though I've also heard that the Mjolnir's aggressiveness takes care of the LCD 3s laid back sound.

 

It boils down to what you would like to have more - a bigger bass slam with a crammed soundstage and cropped highs, or a lesser bass presence with an improved frequency response throughout the graph (and a bigger soundstage). For the 2s, I would highly recommend the Soloist...the combo is just brilliant...even with a budget dac like the Dacport LX or Dragonfly. For the 3s, well...I'll let you know what I find out.

 

I can't audition them.  If it were clear-cut that the LCD-3's would sound better, I would just get those.  But I keep seeing comparisons where some people actually prefer the LCD-2's over the 3's, and that's keeping me on the fence. 

 

How much lesser bass presence is there in the LCD-3's compared to the 2's and is it a bad or good thing (or both?)?

 

Do you think your DAC had anything to do with you not liking the LCD-3 + Soloist combo?  I'm curious how much different sounding a Soloist + Dacport LX would be compared to the Conductor.   When you say the combo was "too polite", what exactly do you mean by that?  Can you elaborate?  Do you mean you wish it was more forward and aggressive, dare say brighter?  

 

You said the LCD-2 were better on the Soloist/Dacport LX combo than the LCD-3's.  Could you elaborate a little more on this?  

 

Anxiously awaiting your review of the LCD-3's with the new gear.  o2smile.gif

 

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I reviewed a WA7 with the stock tubes for Positive Feedback using a pair of Silver Dragon LCD-2's as my reference. I liked the combination so much that I finally purchased a silver WA7 with the stock tubes to use with my 17" MBP and LCD-2's at work. I find the combination, particularly with Silver Dragon cable, to be quite beguiling.

 

I saw some reviews where they said they wish the DAC was better.  Was this not an issue for you?

 

Do the LCD-2's benefit quite a bit from upgraded cables?  

 

I was eyeing these:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/609155/toxic-cables-the-appreciation-thread/3315#post_9369943


Or do you think it would be better to go for purely silver?  Or what about gold?

 

 

 

Edit:

 

I'm now looking at several other amp/DAC combos as well.  

 

So right now it's Conductor vs. Mjolnir/Gungnir vs. Benchmark DAC2 HGC vs. m903 vs. Reference 10.32  & LCD-2 vs LCD-3.  

The WA7 is still in the picture, but only if I go for the LCD-2 per Macedonian's suggestion.    

 

I think I ultimately want to go for the LCD-3's, but only if the gear listed above gives me the 3's full potential, or at the very least makes them sound substantially better than the 2's.  


Edited by Meremoth - 5/14/13 at 3:38am
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"I saw some reviews where they said they wish the DAC was better.  Was this not an issue for you?"

 

I compared the DAC to the HRT Music Streamer Pro and thought that the Woo sounded quite a bit better. This was where I bypassed the Woo's internal DAC and used a pair of Cardas adapters with the Music Streamer Pro then a pair of Audio Note AN-Vx cables with Eichmann Silver Bullet Plugs. I mean, if you're comparing it to the Ayre QB-9 or the Woo WDS-1 (or even the Rega DAC), you're likely to get better performance with the more expensive DAC's; but nice thing about the WA7 is that it allows you to do that kind of bypass if you get disenchanted with the internal DAC. Like I said, though, I thought the WA7 sounded great as it came from the maker.

 

"Do the LCD-2's benefit quite a bit from upgraded cables?"

 

Yes, very much so. I've heard them with some ALO cables (forget the name, but they were the best cables offered at the time) and also with the Moon Audio Silver Dragon V3 (which I ultimately choose) and in both cases, there was quite an improvement in the sound. With the ALO, the sound was richer and the bass more controlled; with the Silver Dragon V3, the midrange and treble opened up quite a bit and the bass also got tighter, so one step closer to a pair of electrostatics. I've never heard the LCD-3's but may pick up a pair eventually. They use the same connectors as the LCD-2's so I wouldn't need to replace the cables, just sell the LCD-2's. I've got too many pairs of headphones as it is! I have to say, though, that when it came to spending around $2K for a pair of headphones, the Fostex TH900's are really an amazing choice. Forget about electrostatics, the TH900's just blow everything else I have out of the water. In every aspect, they outperform even my HD800's by quite a wide margin; and that's just using the stock cables with the TH900's (for now).

post #53 of 60

You're throwing any and everything at the board.

 

If you are more of a critical listener go with the lcd-3.  If you like a more fun sound that is still quite resolving the lcd-2 is a great call.  In my mind the 3's are a clear improvement but if your source material is junk or your gear chain is junk it's going to suffer moreso than the lcd-2.

 

If your DAC sucks then either way what you hear is not going to be its best, finding a great DAC at any price point is easier these days but you still need to choose carefully.  I think what you probably haven't taken into account is that the differences between good DACs, given that you pick a good one, is much more subtle than the difference between the lcd-2 and lcd-3.

 

I wouldn't even worry about re-cable.  You don't even have the starting point yet.


Edited by Mr.Sneis - 5/14/13 at 11:10am
post #54 of 60

haven't read through the whole thread but i have 2 words for the OP

 

Gungnir

Mjolnir

 

you wont pull your hair out trying to find the "perfect" combo, your wallet wont be as assaulted, and you'll love it. get them from audio advisor - extremely fast shipping that is free, 30 day return window as opposed to schiit's 15, and its the same 5-year warranty.

 

done and done

post #55 of 60
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Well, looks like I'm going to get the LCD-3 and Mjolnir + Gungnir.  

 

Does anyone want to talk me out of it before I round up all the cash?  Please, any last minute opinions or suggestions or anything?  I'm all ears.

 

 

Also, where should I purchase all this from?

 

 

Edit:

 

Hmmmm, just saw this review on amazon:

 

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Overall it's an okay DAC, nothing to complain about. Good build quality and good features. However, in term of sound quality it falls short of my expectation. I compared it to an old California Labs Sigma tube DAC (with a NOS Sylvania gold pin 12ax7) and a Neko D100 MkII solid state DAC. The Gungnir is behind both in top end extension (rolled off), transparency, focus, and instrument separation. On the good side, it's analog sound DAC, has a warm and full mid range and deep, controlled bass.

Anyway, I could not justify spending $750 on a DAC that was not as good as my old DAC so I returned it. But if you're in the market for a DAC in this price range, it's worth trying the Gungnir.

 

 

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3IZTPYL9IOTYU/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00BFEV7JS&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=

 

What do you guys think about that?  Sorry for all the questions, but I'm about to drop a boat-load of moolah.


Edited by Meremoth - 5/20/13 at 9:17am
post #56 of 60
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Originally Posted by Uncle00Jesse View Post

haven't read through the whole thread but i have 2 words for the OP

 

Gungnir

Mjolnir

 

you wont pull your hair out trying to find the "perfect" combo, your wallet wont be as assaulted, and you'll love it. get them from audio advisor - extremely fast shipping that is free, 30 day return window as opposed to schiit's 15, and its the same 5-year warranty.

 

done and done

 

Audio Adviser looks like a pretty big dealer.  I was thinking if I could order from a smaller dealer and have someone I could communicate with, perhaps I could get some type of deal seeing how I'm dropping ~ $3600 all at once.  

 

Also, it doesn't look like they sell the LCD-3's.  Is there any store that sells both Audeze and Schiit?  

post #57 of 60

I don't think there is an all in one place. Also I doubt you could get any type of deal on the schiit stack unless you buy used which is always an option. These toys are pretty niche in the grand scheme of things so they aren't heavily discounted or readily available in many locations.

post #58 of 60

This whole thread is a shining example of the trials and travails of trying to put together a good system without the ability to listen to anything and sifting through several audiophile's personal opinions on a purely subjective pursuit. I ended up with the Mjolnir and Gungnir and very happy with them both. I have the LCD2.2s and I have thought they sounded great but have since been informed they are definitely inferior to the HD800s as well as the LCD3s. About the only thing I can really say that I can hear with these cans that is questionable is the lack of soundstage but then I have extremely limited experience with headphones. I am getting a Silver Widow cable in hopes that will help at least a little with sound staging and airiness. I should have gotten the LCD3s or the HD800s but I didn't so what I have will have to do for a while. And these phones sound pretty good to me. Good luck with your search.

post #59 of 60

I say don't start off with the Audeze's and go with the Schitt gear and some HiFiMan HE500's. I used to have them, but had problems with the cable (it broke) and I returned them in frustration. I then bought LCD-3's (at the time with Lyr/Bifrost combo) and wasn't excited with them. It took a DNA Stratus/Invicta combo and some break-in, and then one day the truth was shown to me. The HiFiMan cans are a lot more tolerant of a lesser source IMHO than the Audeze's. I'm also running a Bryston BDP-2 as a music server. So yeah, Bifrost/Lyr and HE-500 were great. Bifrost/Lyr and LCD-3 not so much. LCD-3 and $9,000 worth of upstream gear, yeah that works. 

 

Sorry for your wallet.

post #60 of 60

Yeah, it's always relative to what you've experienced. You can be perfectly happy and enjoying music with you gear, then you hear something much greater and it ruins you, and your wallet. 

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