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post #46 of 70
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Originally Posted by snibelsnabel View Post

With headphones, your listening in "2D" (left and right). as you only hearing whats coming from the right channel with right ear. and left channel can only be heard from left ear  - Well that's it.

So if you like to say that headphones don't sound real at all - fine by me. but i much rather listening to headphones as there were meant to be then try to fake a realistic soundstage. the fake sound signature of the hd800's is fake enough..
Just because you can't hear anything but a hallway from headphones, doesn't mean it's not possible to have a 3D sound stage that is realistic. You think in a small box, where nothing can ever change. Your statements sound like a seasoned speaker enthusiast, perhaps you should return to their company.
post #47 of 70
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Originally Posted by arnaud View Post

I guess it boils down to what part of the headphone characteristics you are most sensitive to.

 

In my experience, the 009 does spoil the fun and I have lost all interest in other gear because it excels at what I am after (resolution, precision, lack of apparent coloration, be a chameleon in a way all recordings sound different for good or worse).

 

I suspect the BHSE is going to make my rig more intolerant of average quality recordings, but my secret weapon then is to simply have an omega 2mk1 when the mood strikes or the recording calls for it. Horse was beaten to death but you can't have the cake and eat it, resolution and transparency comes at a price.

 

For many, an "excessively" resolving rig is like a poisonous gift, they start to realize fidelity wasn't at all what they were missing all along but instead specific characteristics that sound pleasing to their own ears. In such scenario, in no way the 009 would spoil the fun. If anything, its sound might not do it at all for the listener. 

 

 
Totally agree.
 
When the phones or speakers sounds neutral, bad sources or recordings sounds bad. It is inevitable. But good sources and recordings sounds like made in heaven.
 
There are recordings (not many), that I rather listen my HD-600 than SR-009. Like I rather wear my sunglasses when sun is shining.

Edited by Lonely_Rider - 4/4/13 at 3:26am
post #48 of 70

While I do think that the 009 especially off BHSE is a superior headphone than the hd800, it is not night and day. Having heard the 009 set up I can relate to statments that it is clearly the best HP out there, but saying that after hearing it, the hd800 is unlistenable is very much OT. Maybe, if that is your experience, you should consider your up stream equipment. 

post #49 of 70
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Originally Posted by stacker45 View Post

 

I had the chance to listen to some 009 at the Montréal Hi-Fi show, and altough they sounded very good, i would never say that the other flagship headphones that were present were ''unlistenable''. It's not often that i read negative comment regarding the 009, i have to say that i find your honesty rather refreshing.

 

There are a few [ before me ] that have mentioned their dislike of the 009's,  in fact some have sold theirs. I'm keeping mine because I do like how most of the songs I listen to sound with the 009 / BHSE, but I'm also keeping them because I've spent a lot on audio equipment so rather than get anymore, I need to start getting other things sorted out, like doing my home up.


Edited by David1961 - 4/4/13 at 7:03am
post #50 of 70
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There are a few [ before me ] that have mentioned their dislike of the 009's,  in fact some have sold theirs. I'm keeping mine because I do like how most of the songs I listen to sound with the 009 / BHSE, but I'm also keeping them because I've spent a lot on audio equipment so rather than get anymore, I need to start getting other things sorted out, like doing my home up.

 

Well, i admit that the last few posts have been very interesting, although i am able to afford the 009, i would like very much to be able to live with them in my home for a few days, i know that's asking a lot, but it's the best way to make an informed decision.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 make a well tought out decision.

post #51 of 70
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Originally Posted by stacker45 View Post

 i would like very much to be able to live with them in my home for a few days, i know that's asking a lot, but it's the best way to make an informed decision.

 

 

I agree when possible, that's the best thing to do. I didn't do that when getting my 009's [ I got them from pricejapan ] but I did with my HD-600's and to say I only paid £269 for them, it's the best money I've spent on headphones, in fact on anything. I guess my source and GS-Xmk2 has a lot to do with why they sound so good though, plus the pure silver 4 pin XLR custom cable.

post #52 of 70

I had a long listen of the 009s in a fair. Afterwards, I heard a lot of headphones and IEMs. The only thing that sounds similar to the electrostats are BA IEMs imo. Nothing else sounds similar to the effortlessness of the 009 sound signature except well tuned BAs. Custom IEMs are probably the only choice...

post #53 of 70
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Originally Posted by Xymordos View Post

I had a long listen of the 009s in a fair. Afterwards, I heard a lot of headphones and IEMs. The only thing that sounds similar to the electrostats are BA IEMs imo. Nothing else sounds similar to the effortlessness of the 009 sound signature except well tuned BAs. Custom IEMs are probably the only choice...


That seems to be a recurrent theme. Very interesting. So all of you who have compared custom IEMs to the009, what are the differences and similarities. Some specifics would be appreciated.

post #54 of 70
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Originally Posted by Cante Ista View Post


That seems to be a recurrent theme. Very interesting. So all of you who have compared custom IEMs to the009, what are the differences and similarities. Some specifics would be appreciated.

 

I don't know about the new freq. phased JH13pro, but my older JH13pros do sound excellent even next to the best headphones out there.  However, you will always loose out on image & instrument placement espeically the realism that you get from having a nice 3-D soundstage.  My JH13pro able to accomplish this to a degree but due to its physical limitation of being CIEMs, it just won't measure up to full sized phones in soundstaging department.   

post #55 of 70
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Originally Posted by purk View Post

 

I don't know about the new freq. phased JH13pro, but my older JH13pros do sound excellent even next to the best headphones out there.  However, you will always loose out on image & instrument placement espeically the realism that you get from having a nice 3-D soundstage.  My JH13pro able to accomplish this to a degree but due to its physical limitation of being CIEMs, it just won't measure up to full sized phones in soundstaging department.   


Sure. I understand that. Still you just confirmed what I have come across previously, that JH13 image very well for IEMs

post #56 of 70
Difficult to try IEM's before you buy them tho, and especially customs... And pretty much impossible to sell if you don't like them :-(
post #57 of 70
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Originally Posted by CybDev View Post

Difficult to try IEM's before you buy them tho, and especially customs... And pretty much impossible to sell if you don't like them :-(


has that happened to you? I have the top of the line Shures and like them but I am sure more can be gotten from some of the newer ones. Did you have a disappointing experience with custom IEMSs though.

post #58 of 70
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Originally Posted by CybDev View Post

Difficult to try IEM's before you buy them tho, and especially customs... And pretty much impossible to sell if you don't like them :-(

 

In that case, you are stuck with universal fit IEMs.  A custom IEM such as the JH13pro is noticeably better sounding compared to the SE535 that I used to have. 

post #59 of 70
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Originally Posted by Cante Ista View Post


has that happened to you? I have the top of the line Shures and like them but I am sure more can be gotten from some of the newer ones. Did you have a disappointing experience with custom IEMSs though.

Yeah, I have some Monster Miles Davis Tributes that I'm not very happy with.
But I also have the Shure SE-535's that I am very happy with and use every day smily_headphones1.gif

That said, they are not the SR-009, so I would very much like a chance to try some customs like M-Fidelity SA-43 or JH13/JH16...
post #60 of 70
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Originally Posted by CybDev View Post


Yeah, I have some Monster Miles Davis Tributes that I'm not very happy with.
But I also have the Shure SE-535's that I am very happy with and use every day smily_headphones1.gif

That said, they are not the SR-009, so I would very much like a chance to try some customs like M-Fidelity SA-43 or JH13/JH16...

You should do it.  A good pair of custom IEMs is much more comfortable to wear than the universal ones.  It will allows you to listen at much lower volume as well as reducing the listening fatigue. 

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