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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

Well I told you twice I was selling mine and you never answered....not really sure why.

Me? i haven't recieved any messages from you, please sent me another if you're still looking to sell.
post #467 of 1363
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what qualities exactly do you want, and what type of music do you listen to?

Well i haven't owned a pair of iem's for a little while, i've been using a pair of Signature DJ on the go but really need a more portable solution. I recently owned the Mad Dogs and i really grew to like the darker, warmer signature and the SD3 sound like they have that kind of tonality? I saw somewhere that it was being described as a big brother to the IE8 which i also really liked especially it's forward projection and that's the kind of unfatiguing sound i'm looking for. I am interested in the 1964 Q comparison because i really loved it during an audition a year or so ago but decided i didn't want to go custom.
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They look quite big compared to the heir 4.ai. Just wondering if the'd be a bit too big for my ears. 

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Well i haven't owned a pair of iem's for a little while, i've been using a pair of Signature DJ on the go but really need a more portable solution. I recently owned the Mad Dogs and i really grew to like the darker, warmer signature and the SD3 sound like they have that kind of tonality? I saw somewhere that it was being described as a big brother to the IE8 which i also really liked especially it's forward projection and that's the kind of unfatiguing sound i'm looking for. I am interested in the 1964 Q comparison because i really loved it during an audition a year or so ago but decided i didn't want to go custom.

 

I think they just might suit you then, but IIRC, the SD3 is even warmer than the IE8. I also didn't like how the center stage felt congested. Bass extension is also relatively poor down to the lower octaves.

 

Since you and Sinth are both in the UK, maybe you guys could meet somewhere if you're close to each other.

post #470 of 1363
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

I think they just might suit you then, but IIRC, the SD3 is even warmer than the IE8. I also didn't like how the center stage felt congested. Bass extension is also relatively poor down to the lower octaves.

Since you and Sinth are both in the UK, maybe you guys could meet somewhere if you're close to each other.

Thanks, as you can see in my sig, it's not that i love the IE8 or don't think it has glaring weaknesses it's more that that is the kind signature i'm looking for ie. Big bass, not too forward mids and a more subdued top end and large soundstage, i'm hoping the SD3 is like that just implemented better than the IE8 could.
post #471 of 1363

StageDiver, right?

 

AppleMark

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Me? i haven't recieved any messages from you, please sent me another if you're still looking to sell.
Second pm sent...
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I heard an SD2 a couple days ago --- pretty nice! I like the sub-bass presentation. I do hear some bass distortion, but it can't be avoided with BAs. The highs are smoothed, but not overly relaxed at all, leading to a mostly neutral but smooth tonality with a bump in the sub-bass. They are picky about tips, though.

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I heard an SD2 a couple days ago --- pretty nice! I like the sub-bass presentation. I do hear some bass distortion, but it can't be avoided with BAs. The highs are smoothed, but not overly relaxed at all, leading to a mostly neutral but smooth tonality with a bump in the sub-bass. They are picky about tips, though.


What tips did you find best in the end?

post #475 of 1363
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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post  What tips did you find best in the end?


They were the RedGiant soft red tips. Also I used tips that looked similar to the red ones that the Heir Ai series uses, but the flanges are softer. Both did well. Basically, look for any tips that have a relatively solid inner core, and a wide mouth (>5 mm) but narrow neck so that the tips don't leak sound from the stem area. Sennheiser biflange tips should also work.

post #476 of 1363
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look for any tips that have a relatively solid inner core, and a wide mouth

 

Fully agree. I use these:

 

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For those interested, I wrote some quick & dirty impressions here... it also offers possibilities on how the industry can take the anatomical modeling used in the StageDiver to the next level...

post #478 of 1363
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For those interested, I wrote some quick & dirty impressions here... it also offers possibilities on how the industry can take the anatomical modeling used in the StageDiver to the next level...

 

Why did you only listen to them for 10 minutes?

 

I agree with your ideas on how to further improve the idea. I have thought a lot about it too, and where to you can take it! But sadly the market is not big enough yet for the wide-ranging possibilities you want to offer.

 

However, this part is not true:

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 My guess is that InEar Monitoring makes the shells without the stem first, and then insert the exit stem afterward by filling the surround with acrylic. In that sense, theStageDiver series’ build quality doesn’t quite match that of the FitEar TO GO! series.

I have talked with Marco about how they create the SD and it's a two-piece set. However, the nozzle is one piece with the bigger half, it just hasn't been polished so the tips fit better and don't slip off the polished surface. You can look closely and see where the two parts come together. It's pretty much in the half of the large body. So the criticism that follows about the stem coming off has no justification.

 

If you had talked with Marco, you could have also answered this question:

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 What was the demographic makeup (sex, age, ethnicity, etc.) and statistical spread of these ears?

The impressions are from their customers who got customs done, obviously. So the market is actual on-stage performers. My guess is most are 25-40 years old and work in Germany. I think most customers from In Ear are Jazz musicians, so that gives a hint to ethnicity. They do show pictures from quite a lot female vocalists on their Facebook page.


Edited by Ultrazino - 10/27/13 at 5:58am
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Ultrazino, I have a question about InEar, not directly related to SD series though. LivePro series is like custom versions of SD series but I remember reading that they will remake their 4 BA model. Did they already finished it or 4BA model is still the same one? I was curious about since their webpage has an English option. I learned that they can make their customs with soft canal option, it got my curiosity since I already have a silicone earpiece ciem and I love the comfort of it.

post #480 of 1363
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Originally Posted by Ultrazino View Post
 

 

Why did you only listen to them for 10 minutes?

 

I agree with your ideas on how to further improve the idea. I have thought a lot about it too, and where to you can take it! But sadly the market is not big enough yet for the wide-ranging possibilities you want to offer.

 

However, this part is not true:

I have talked with Marco about how they create the SD and it's a two-piece set. However, the nozzle is one piece with the bigger half, it just hasn't been polished so the tips fit better and don't slip off the polished surface. You can look closely and see where the two parts come together. It's pretty much in the half of the large body. So the criticism that follows about the stem coming off has no justification.

 

If you had talked with Marco, you could have also answered this question:

The impressions are from their customers who got customs done, obviously. So the market is actual on-stage performers. My guess is most are 25-40 years old and work in Germany. I think most customers from In Ear are Jazz musicians, so that gives a hint to ethnicity. They do show pictures from quite a lot female vocalists on their Facebook page.

 

They're not mine, but a friend's, and I didn't have time to listen to them for longer. 10 minutes is more than enough for me to write what I wrote about the sound signature.

 

How do you know how big the market is? I merely outlined a concept, and it's not necessarily what would happen in real life. There are always differences between concept and real-world execution.

 

I mentioned that "it's possible" for the stem to crack, and it is still possible, whether it's one-piece, two-piece, or many pieces. Even if the stem has been reinforced with metal, there's a very real possibility of the stem cracking --- I wrote "cracking" not necessarily it completely breaking off. I never claimed that whatever construction method I guessed was the actual truth, but there's no going around the fact that the thin stem is a weak point.

 

One last thing --- the thing I wrote was labeled as a "Rapid Reaction", meaning that I didn't take my time to fully research everything fully and completely. There are no claims that whatever I write is "verified" by the manufacturer. For the record, I did try to contact Marco; I received a very short reply on Facebook, where he sent me his e-mail. None of my e-mails to him were answered, however.

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