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post #46 of 59
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post

heyahey just curious how the Garage1217 projects differ? Sstarlight vs sunrise 2 vs ember. Cld someone explain the difference in easy-to-understand noobie terms? :) heh

 

To expand further on darkarn's post: the Ember is the most powerful amp. And by "most powerful", I mean that technically—it has the most output power across the board. That means it can drive everything from planar magnetics to high-impedance inefficient dynamics and low-impedance efficient dynamics. The other amps are more limiting than the Ember and none have better specs than it. In short, that means that you should try to get the Ember if you can afford to. ;)

 

The Horizon is the amp to get if you can't afford the Ember and want to drive only specifically high-impedance or inefficient headphones (AKGs, Senns, Beyers, et al). It's sort of comparable to Schiit's Valhalla in that sense (but is cheaper than the Valhalla).

 

The Starlight is the obvious budget amp and is spec'd out to drive most regular dynamic headphones reasonably well, but it won't drive ultra-high-impedance dynamics (i.e., don't use it to drive 600 Ohm headphones) or planar magnetics very well.

 

I can't really tell exactly what void the Sunrise fills, it's sort of in-between the Starlight and Horizon with both its specs & price but doesn't offer anything particularly unique. From my point of the view the main standouts in the G1217 line-up are the Starlight, Horizon, and Ember. The Ember is so "creme de la creme" yet affordable that most people should probably just go straight to it and skip the others.


Edited by Asr - 12/9/13 at 1:25am
post #47 of 59
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post
 

@darkan,

 

thanks! that was really helpful. Now I saw on their website that they are coming out w/ a project sunrise 3. Does anyone that compare w/ project ember?

 

Np man, thanks for the heads up too!

 

 

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To expand further on darkarn's post: the Ember is the most powerful amp. And by "most powerful", I mean that technically—it has the most output power across the board. That means it can drive everything from planar magnetics to high-impedance inefficient dynamics and low-impedance efficient dynamics. The other amps are more limiting than the Ember and none have better specs than it. In short, that means that you should try to get the Ember if you can afford to. ;)

 

The Horizon is the amp to get if you can't afford the Ember and want to drive only specifically high-impedance or inefficient headphones (AKGs, Senns, Beyers, et al). It's sort of comparable to Schiit's Valhalla in that sense (but is cheaper than the Valhalla).

 

The Starlight is the obvious budget amp and is spec'd out to drive most regular dynamic headphones reasonably well, but it won't drive ultra-high-impedance dynamics (i.e., don't use it to drive 600 Ohm headphones) or planar magnetics very well.

 

I can't really tell exactly what void the Sunrise fills, it's sort of in-between the Starlight and Horizon with both its specs & price but doesn't offer anything particularly unique. From my point of the view the main standouts in the G1217 line-up are the Starlight, Horizon, and Ember. The Ember is so "creme de la creme" yet affordable that most people should probably just go straight to it and skip the others.

 

Well, the Ember is a little too expensive to my liking :D But my bigger concern is how well it does with 16Ohm cans; their usage with the Ember is not well-known

post #48 of 59
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Originally Posted by darkarn View Post
 

 

Np man, thanks for the heads up too!

 

 

 

Well, the Ember is a little too expensive to my liking :D But my bigger concern is how well it does with 16Ohm cans; their usage with the Ember is not well-known

This. The Starlight is perfect for sensitive cans like my TH600 and X1, used at low (1.5 ohm) resistance. Also prefer the look of the Starlight to the others. For my HE500 I use a speaker amp.

post #49 of 59

Has anyone tried a 12AX7 with the starlight? I put in a Mullard 12AX7 but could never adjust the bias correctly. It always shows high even when the pot is turned all the way. I am going to try an EH 12AX7 and see if the same thing happens.

post #50 of 59
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Has anyone tried a 12AX7 with the starlight? I put in a Mullard 12AX7 but could never adjust the bias correctly. It always shows high even when the pot is turned all the way. I am going to try an EH 12AX7 and see if the same thing happens.
I tried a couple different 12ax7 and both would not bias correctly.
post #51 of 59

Thanx for the reply. I have also written to Jeremy about it, lets see what he suggests.

post #52 of 59
Howdy all. I just bought one of these off another HF member. This is my first amp with a tube. I am coming from a Fiio E10 and a PA2V2, so this is a nice upgrade. I have been using a set of Fischer FA-011's and Shure SRH840's and they both sound great. The FA-011's have benefited the most. The soundstage and separation is even better, and the details pop more. The prat might not be as tight as the PA2V2, but everything sounds full and crisp. I am running the stock opamps and a Conn organ 12AU7. I want to roll some tubes and amps and will start with the opamps. Id like to try some Burr Browns. What's the best place to buy opamps? When I look on ebay the model numbers all seem to have a u, p, or a tagged on the end ( ex opa2227a) so I am not sure if those are the right thing.
post #53 of 59

Glad to see you are enjoying the amp. I got the OPA2227PA opamps from mouser electronics and think they sound great. I would also suggest you try tube rolling first, as that makes bigger difference than opamp rolling.

post #54 of 59

Hey man, I am really enjoying it, thanks! I should have just ought those opamps from you lol, but I hadn't gotten that far into my research. I didn't really even think about it. What all have you tried tube wise in this amp? Any good starting places?

post #55 of 59

I tried a bunch of tubes... I started with an amperex 6dj8 bugle boy along with an orange globe, but really liked the bugle boy. I have a couple of 6AQ8 - one sylvania and a telefunken. They sound really nice but somehow the bugle boy seems to have a better resolution to my ears. Don't buy a 12AX7 as they are very difficult to bias correctly on the starlight. Also tried the 6n23p but found them to be a little harsh. I have an amperex ecc189 which also sounds good but I have not done much listening with it. I would say start with a 6dj8 and then move forward. One more thing to keep in mind is that high gain tubes like 6dj8 can cause some hiss with sensitive IEMs. You can look at the Aune T1 thread for more tube rolling options.

post #56 of 59

Hey guys - selling one of my Project Starlights with a JDS labs ODAC. Starlight is like new http://www.head-fi.org/t/719744/project-starlight-tube-hybrid-amp-jds-labs-odac

post #57 of 59

Has anyone used this with the DT770 Pro 80's? I'm considering getting it and would like to know what your experience is with it. I would like to warm the sound up a bit.

post #58 of 59

How does Project Starlight compare to O2?

post #59 of 59
I've been using the starlight for several months now in my office at work. It's my first tube amp and I'm really happy with it. I'm using two headphones: dt880/250s and headphile modified hd580s. It's been fun experimenting with different tubes to find a sound I really like. I listen to almost every type of music aside from rap and country. Here's what I've seen with different tubes:

GE 5814 - meh. The sound is muddy and lacks treble detail.
RCA clear top - really nice balanced sound. It lacks power compared to others but one of my favorites
Siemens ecc801 - powerful but the treble is too harsh.
Fisher labeled Telefunken ecc81 - my favorite for the dt880s. Great detail and power.
Fisher labeled Mullard 6dj8 - has promise but mine is distractingly noisy
Valvo e180cc - similar to the RCA but with more power, great for the dt880s
GE branded Mullard 12au7 - one of the first tubes I bought. I really liked it until I got the Fisher ECC81
Telefunken ecc88 - my favorite for the hd580s. Everything is really clear and balanced
Telefunken ecc82 - too laid back for my tastes. the bass is weak on the hd580s

It's a great amp for my needs, and it gets a lot of attention from my coworkers smily_headphones1.gif
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