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post #91 of 132
Well I went to Handheld Audio today and had a very good demo of several CIEM's.
In the end it came down to the JH13 or JH16. What a hard decision!
I felt that the 16 had absolutely phenomenal detail on the bass. Never heard the like but the mids seemed recessed to me.
The 13's bass seemed a but woolly. Nothing special but the mids were much more forward.
Vocals sounded amazing on the 13's.
On the 16's heavy music such as ZZ Top. sounded fantastic.
Acoustic music such as Fiona Apple much less so. The bass sounded overdone to my ears.
In the end I went for the 13's as I felt that the "extra" bass of the 16's may well become annoying.
I'm still far from sure though!
All the units that I tried were universal demo models with Comply tips. So I hope that on my full customs the bass detail may improve.
In the end you pays your money and takes your choice.
post #92 of 132
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Originally Posted by krismusic View Post

Well I went to Handheld Audio today and had a very good demo of several CIEM's.
In the end it came down to the JH13 or JH16. What a hard decision!
I felt that the 16 had absolutely phenomenal detail on the bass. Never heard the like but the mids seemed recessed to me.
The 13's bass seemed a but woolly. Nothing special but the mids were much more forward.
Vocals sounded amazing on the 13's.
On the 16's heavy music such as ZZ Top. sounded fantastic.
Acoustic music such as Fiona Apple much less so. The bass sounded overdone to my ears.
In the end I went for the 13's as I felt that the "extra" bass of the 16's may well become annoying.
I'm still far from sure though!
All the units that I tried were universal demo models with Comply tips. So I hope that on my full customs the bass detail may improve.
In the end you pays your money and takes your choice.

My advise would be for you to purchase the JH Roxanne's , it's their newest model, it's like a souped up, more detailed JH13, with adjustAble base that can match or surpass the JH 16's, or go down to flat or lower
post #93 of 132
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My advise would be for you to purchase the JH Roxanne's , it's their newest model, it's like a souped up, more detailed JH13, with adjustAble base that can match or surpass the JH 16's, or go down to flat or lower
I have a limit to my budget of £1000. If I don't get superlative sound at that price point then IMHO there is something seriously wrong.
Ever since I joined Headfi the JH13 has been talked about as the gold standard of CIEM's.
If I have made an expensive mistake after all my time here then I am afraid this is where my journey ends!
LaHawkeye I certainly mean no disrespect to your good self and appreciate your input.
post #94 of 132
I originally ordered the JH 16 but after this review by
post #95 of 132
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Originally Posted by krismusic View Post

Well I went to Handheld Audio today and had a very good demo of several CIEM's.
In the end it came down to the JH13 or JH16. What a hard decision!
I felt that the 16 had absolutely phenomenal detail on the bass. Never heard the like but the mids seemed recessed to me.
The 13's bass seemed a but woolly. Nothing special but the mids were much more forward.
Vocals sounded amazing on the 13's.
On the 16's heavy music such as ZZ Top. sounded fantastic.
Acoustic music such as Fiona Apple much less so. The bass sounded overdone to my ears.
In the end I went for the 13's as I felt that the "extra" bass of the 16's may well become annoying.
I'm still far from sure though!
All the units that I tried were universal demo models with Comply tips. So I hope that on my full customs the bass detail may improve.
In the end you pays your money and takes your choice.

 

 

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My advise would be for you to purchase the JH Roxanne's , it's their newest model, it's like a souped up, more detailed JH13, with adjustAble base that can match or surpass the JH 16's, or go down to flat or lower

 

I have the JH16Pro and the Roxanne. I agree the JH16 bass can be overwhelming and annoying sometimes especially with a warm source. That's where Roxanne shines, you can adjust the bass depending on your mood or compensate for the source you have.

 

Plus the Roxanne for me has the most natural sounding and wider soundstage compared to JH16. JH16 is super sharp with details especially on the highs and can be very analytical but with narrower soundstage. Roxanne overall gives the listening experience closer to a headphone rather than a CIEM. Switching back and forth between JH16 and Roxanne gives me exactly that feeling.

post #96 of 132

So, JH16 has more resolution than Roxanne?

post #97 of 132
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post

So, JH16 has more resolution than Roxanne?

not entirely. they just have the same level of resolution but Roxanne is the more natural tone.
post #98 of 132
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not entirely. they just have the same level of resolution but Roxanne is the more natural tone.
Where would you say the 13's fit in?
post #99 of 132
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Where would you say the 13's fit in?

 

I never heard JH13. I went for JH16 over JH13 before with the idea that I can EQ down JH16's bass if I find it too much instead of doing an EQ up for JH13 if I find it lacking. I thought you can't reproduce what is not existing but you can trim any excess.

 

That is why the Roxanne was so compelling, although I keep the bass flat most of the time it's quite handy if you are in the mood for more bass rumble.

post #100 of 132
It's good that you are finding that the Roxannes deliver. I am amazed at how stuff does not live up to expectation even at this price point. There are endless positive reviews of the 13's on the web. Then when it actually comes to it...
I have to stick with my budget. It already crept up from £600. A line has to be drawn!
post #101 of 132

I'll throw in my poker chips since I've heard all three. Perhaps it will help someone make a good decision.

 

JHRX is in a category by itself. It doesn't always apply, but this is a typical example of you get what you pay for.

JH16 has far too much bass, it covers up everything else. IMO there is at least 5 to 6db more bass than tolerable. If you like that, all power to you.

JH13 still has just a hunch too much bass, but it's far more tolerable/enjoyable. This would be my choice if I couldn't get JHRX.

 

Now regarding the detail/resolution thing: both JH13 and 16 have a peak somewhere in the 5-10K region. I'm not going to say exactly where but let's just say that lowering the 8K band on an EQ is what works best. JHRX has no such peak. This makes both of them (the 13 more so) sound brighter than the JHRX, and obviously some people perceive this as extra "detail" or "resolution". Unfortunately it's none of that, it's just added harshness and sibilance. But to each their own, you can't argue with taste.

 

As a former owner of JH16, current owner of JHRX, and having heard the JH13, I would get the latter if I couldn't afford the JHRX. The JH16 is just not a good piece for personal/critical listening. It's probably great for stage use, but I'm not a singer.

post #102 of 132
Thanks very much for that JAG87. Much appreciated.
post #103 of 132
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Where would you say the 13's fit in?

I never heard JH13. I went for JH16 over JH13 before with the idea that I can EQ down JH16's bass if I find it too much instead of doing an EQ up for JH13 if I find it lacking. I thought you can't reproduce what is not existing but you can trim any excess.

That is why the Roxanne was so compelling, although I keep the bass flat most of the time it's quite handy if you are in the mood for more bass rumble.

On the 16, how well did eqing down the bass work for you? I'm having a tooth time deciding between 13 and 16.

Thx
post #104 of 132
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On the 16, how well did eqing down the bass work for you? I'm having a tooth time deciding between 13 and 16.

Thx

 

I listen mostly with rock/metal songs and I find myself liking the bass of JH16 untouched. I only tried eqing down twice or thrice and JH16 seems to respond quite nicely. It doesn't affect change the tone of the mids and highs.  This is with the basic eq I have with DX50. Though I have not tried the advanced EQ in Rockbox which I think is much better than the stock FW.

post #105 of 132

I am also having a bit of trouble deciding between the JH16 and JH13.

How would you describe the sounds of both IEMs relative to other headphones?

 

Headphones I listened to include the Beyerdynamic DT 880, Sennheiser HD380, Ultimate Ears Triple.Fi IEM, and the Audio-Technica ATH-IM04 IEM.

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