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post #706 of 1918
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Originally Posted by project86 View Post
 

 

But maybe something from APC or Furman or another company with real engineering behind them. It won't kill your sound quality as some audiophiles suggest, unless maybe you have some big monoblock amps involved, then it could be a problem. An APC H15 is a good place to start I'd say - under $300, lots of filtering and protection, and even voltage regulation too. It's got most of the features of my $1500 APC S15 but without the big price tag. 

 

John

Thanks for this post. I was going to ask about a Surge protector for my V200. Is the APC H15 good enough to use with the  VEGA/TAURUS if I decide to purchase those?

 

Rats, I just looked up the H15 and it has been discontinued. I will see if I can find it on amazon.

 

Thanks

Joe

post #707 of 1918

I pulled the trigger and ordered the Vega/Taurus combination.

post #708 of 1918

Instead of power "protection" circuits, it's worth considering an isolation transformer like the Tripp-lit Isolator.  They literally use inductance to "float" the power supply, getting rid of ground loops and a lot of noise and nastiness, without any gimmicks. Super effective, you can sometimes literally hear the noise floor lower.  

 

The more sensitive the gear, the more I appreciate these little gems, and they're really cheap compared to exotic power solutions (often of questionable science).

post #709 of 1918
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Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post
 

Instead of power "protection" circuits, it's worth considering an isolation transformer like the Tripp-lit Isolator.  They literally use inductance to "float" the power supply, getting rid of ground loops and a lot of noise and nastiness, without any gimmicks. Super effective, you can sometimes literally hear the noise floor lower.  

 

The more sensitive the gear, the more I appreciate these little gems, and they're really cheap compared to exotic power solutions (often of questionable science).

Hi

Are your referring to these?

 

http://www.tripplite.com/product/Standard-Isolation-Transformers/839

 

 It looks like their TOL unit only has 4 sockets. So I guess you would have to buy several units?

Thanks

Joe

post #710 of 1918
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Originally Posted by jmm007 View Post
 

Hi

Are your referring to these?

 

http://www.tripplite.com/product/Standard-Isolation-Transformers/839

 

 It looks like their TOL unit only has 4 sockets. So I guess you would have to buy several units?

Thanks

Joe

 

Yes.  You can also run a power strip off them if you get a higher wattage unit.  I use the 250W for my DAC/Amp/Macbook.

post #711 of 1918

Note this is not my rig. I believe this was a Auralic demo unit at a show. I am only showing it here since it appears that Auralic has used a Mac Mini in the past as a source in their show demos.

 

 

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PF Auralic review December 2013

 

Link: http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue70/auralic.htm

 

The next consideration is how to use the flexibility in clock settings. There are four possibilities. The default clock mode is "Auto." In this mode the VEGA will automatically adjust itself to the lowest possible clock jitter depending on the quality of the input signal. It's the safe way to go, and almost guarantees there won't be any sound drop outs. There are also "coarse" and "fine" clock modes that can be selected. These are not as good in terms of jitter as the "exact" mode, which is the only mode guaranteed to provide femtosecond jitter levels. The "coarse" mode is tolerant of noisy input data as it employs a phase lock loop (PLL) with a relatively wide bandwidth, but this wide bandwidth does not allow the clock to operate at its lowest potential noise/jitter level. The "fine" mode has a narrower PLL bandwidth, and hence lower jitter. In its literature, AURALiC prefers you use the "Auto" mode, but in order to hear the VEGA at its best you must select the "exact" clock mode. [Note to our readers: AURALiC very strongly recommends that VEGA DAC users stay with the "Auto" mode, since the "Fine" and "Exact" modes may or may not work on many computers. While Michael experimented with these alternate settings, you should stay with "Auto" for the most reliable results under most conditions. See page 20 of the AURALiC VEGA Users Manual for details. – Robinson]

 

 

 

 
 

Hello

 

I read these two concerning paragraphs above in a PF review in December 2013 about some computer sources not being able to utilize the Vega's Femto-clock feature. Apparently the "fine" and "Exact" clock modes do not work on some computers and therefore you cannot take advantage of the lowest possible clock jitter. I will be using a Mac Mini 2012 - 2.5Ghz intel duel-core i7 processor with 16GB of RAM powered by an independent LPS. Is it possible that I could have this issue? I basically ail have the same set up as shown in the attached pic.

 

Thanks


Edited by jmm007 - 5/28/14 at 5:51pm
post #712 of 1918
You will be fine. My mini is older abd less powerful and it performs fine in exact mode when I try it. Hoping an Aries will be better than my CAPS server but we will see
post #713 of 1918
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Originally Posted by BeyerMonster View Post
 

There are 2 pretty good reasons for that.

 

1) Neither is the most expensive piece of gear out there, but likely above the range of both the average buyer and first-time buyers.

The Vega is somewhere between 2-6x the cost of most DACs that are considered to be pretty good.

The Taurus is 2-3x the cost of many headphone amps that are considered to be pretty good.

You don't typically spend that kind of money on gear unless you can compare it to something that costs somewhere in the same neighborhood AND convince yourself it's worth the premium than gear that's a lot cheaper.

 

2) Their distribution is relatively limited.

IIRC, their North American distributor didn't come online until relatively recently and that happened after they had terminated the distribution agreement with the previous one. It's hard to get word of mouth out there when people haven't played with it.

 

The 1st distributor AURALiC picked up was in Canada named WorldWide Wholesales(later approved as a single-man company) and he sold nothing in the entire half year. There is also no marketing plan, no sales plan, no advertisement budget, no review appointment at all. It was a total disaster and we terminated them immediately right after CES 2013.

 

AURALiC is doing distribution in north america area by its subsidiary AURALiC North America since October 2013. We have more than 20 dealers around the states, the product is receiving consistently good reviewing and reputation. For a full list of dealer in U.S, please check out with this link: http://www.auralic.com/storelocator.html


Edited by auralic - 5/28/14 at 9:34pm
post #714 of 1918
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Originally Posted by Chik0240 View Post
 
My point is that for most people who have a lot of money, and have to buy things from the net, they will first search for the big names like Sennheiser, and then search form the internet about what might be comparable. Sadly the publicity and comparison of the AURALiC products are low and without proper comparison with other equipment in this price range (like the Bryston BHA-1 vs Taurus Mk II)

Realistically, this is not that different than any other product that is trying to sell things overseas. You have to either go the Schiit route (give a compelling enough money back guarantee that people will try it) or spend enough marketing dollars to do some branding. That comes in the form of either advertisements or sending salespeople to things like RMAF, trade shows, etc. Otherwise, when you see the name Auralic, you'll have a hard time trying to figure out if they're any different than the companies that used to make Sony Walkman knockoffs (Coby?).

 

I think most people are now aware that the iPad and iPhone are made in China by Foxconn, and that hasn't hurt their sales at all. I think the impact of geographic bias against companies based out of China, are less due to the location and more related to the worries/hassles related to product support. Once people are more aware of their track record, that barrier will be gone.

post #715 of 1918
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Originally Posted by BeyerMonster View Post

Realistically, this is not that different than any other product that is trying to sell things overseas. You have to either go the Schiit route (give a compelling enough money back guarantee that people will try it) or spend enough marketing dollars to do some branding. That comes in the form of either advertisements or sending salespeople to things like RMAF, trade shows, etc. Otherwise, when you see the name Auralic, you'll have a hard time trying to figure out if they're any different than the companies that used to make Sony Walkman knockoffs (Coby?).

I think most people are now aware that the iPad and iPhone are made in China by Foxconn, and that hasn't hurt their sales at all. I think the impact of geographic bias against companies based out of China, are less due to the location and more related to the worries/hassles related to product support. Once people are more aware of their track record, that barrier will be gone.

Exactly, that's why they have a problem previously when not enough reviews are out there. It's nice that they are picking up sales now.

By the way, anyone using the single ended input for the taurus? I am currently running the taurus with my onkyo sound are using the burson soloist sl RCA cable.
But since I am going to use the sl for another rig, are there any no so expensive option that are reasonably shielded? Thx
post #716 of 1918

I read this in the VEGA manual

 

 

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"We suggest you using a standalone power supply for VEGA to isolate it from other 

digital source components using switching power supply for best sound quality. The 

power consumption of VEGA is less than 20W, so a heavy gauge power cord is not 

recommended as the weight of the power cord connector may damage the power 

cord socket on the back of the unit. Please double check the AC mains voltage on the 

 

back of the unit before connecting to the power. "

 

I was hoping to buy a Signal Magic power digital reference cable. I guess they are saying that some power cable are heavy and huge enough to strain the power cord connector?  Also, is anyone using a standalone power supply for this  DAC?

 

 

Thanks

post #717 of 1918

I assume they mean an isolation transformer or something, but you can't use an external power supply with the Vega that I know of.

post #718 of 1918

I got the same impression - external unit to supply clean power. The wording is a little confusing though.

 

Regarding AC cable, I think that they are getting at: if you use a really thick, heavy cable, it will tend to be stiff. So it may pull on the AC receptacle more than a lightweight/flexible cable would do. That's true of any gear though. But they point out that Vega isn't some massive power amp, so it really should need a huge cable anyway. 

post #719 of 1918
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Originally Posted by project86 View Post
 

I got the same impression - external unit to supply clean power. The wording is a little confusing though.

 

Regarding AC cable, I think that they are getting at: if you use a really thick, heavy cable, it will tend to be stiff. So it may pull on the AC receptacle more than a lightweight/flexible cable would do. That's true of any gear though. But they point out that Vega isn't some massive power amp, so it really should need a huge cable anyway. 

True, and those concerns are the ones where I usually adopt the cables that come with the equipment itself -> supposed the manufacturer of the gear knows best where's the best balance on cables. (too bad AURALiC didn't come with stock XLR and RCA cables)

post #720 of 1918
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Originally Posted by ardilla View Post
 

 Owning a Taurus without the HE500 should be considered a criminal offence. Seriously. Hope it helps ,)

 

 

Hi

I have purchased a Taurus  MKII. I own the Audeze LCD3. Would owning the HE500 compliment my system?

thanks

Joe

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