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post #376 of 833

I have now been listening to my Taurus in full balanced mode with my HD800's enough to post comments. Aside from the power (gain) issue which I documented above a few comments on the sound. In balanced mode the Taurus presents a very large holographic soundstage. Instrument placement is specific and the best I have ever heard from any amp. Instrument separation is absolute as you can easily define the separate instruments in their own space regardless of how complex the music. I must qualify this by saying that I listen mostly to classical music. I find the tonal balance and timber of the instruments to be improved over single end. On well recorded music the perception of realism is uncanny. The bass response from the HD800 is a revelation, extremely tight and well defined. Having heard this fully balanced approach I could not comfortably go back to single end without missing that last level of detail and nuance that I get in balanced mode. I have not heard the cma800r that has received good reviews but I cannot imagine it topping the Taurus in balanced mode. Perhaps Project86 could expand on this as he has heard two cma800r in balanced mode vs. the Taurus. I can only say that for me the Taurus is end game material and this is coming from a guy that has been a tube lover all my life. I won't be going back to tubes after this experience. I'm now in the process of getting my other headphones terminated for balanced operation. 

post #377 of 833
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post
 

I have now been listening to my Taurus in full balanced mode with my HD800's enough to post comments. Aside from the power (gain) issue which I documented above a few comments on the sound. In balanced mode the Taurus presents a very large holographic soundstage. Instrument placement is specific and the best I have ever heard from any amp. Instrument separation is absolute as you can easily define the separate instruments in their own space regardless of how complex the music. I must qualify this by saying that I listen mostly to classical music. I find the tonal balance and timber of the instruments to be improved over single end. On well recorded music the perception of realism is uncanny. The bass response from the HD800 is a revelation, extremely tight and well defined. Having heard this fully balanced approach I could not comfortably go back to single end without missing that last level of detail and nuance that I get in balanced mode. I have not heard the cma800r that has received good reviews but I cannot imagine it topping the Taurus in balanced mode. Perhaps Project86 could expand on this as he has heard two cma800r in balanced mode vs. the Taurus. I can only say that for me the Taurus is end game material and this is coming from a guy that has been a tube lover all my life. I won't be going back to tubes after this experience. I'm now in the process of getting my other headphones terminated for balanced operation. 

 

Thanks for these impressions Chodi. This will factor heavily in my decision whether to get this amp or not. I can feel my wallet shaking a little bit in my bag. More punishment is on the way for it. It can sense it coming in the horizon. 

 

:atsmile:

post #378 of 833
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Usually balanced mode is double power versus SE (it's the same signal as SE but on both + and inversed on -, whether on SE you get the signal only on + and zero-ground on -), so it is always notably louder with the same volume knob position.

 

Also the Taurus MKII delivers power differently between SE and BAL:

 

Output Power (continuous in RMS)

  STD Mode BAL Mode
32ohm 4500mW 1200mW
120ohm 1200mW 4500mW
300ohm 500mW 2000mW
600ohm 250mW 1000mW

 

4 times the power to the HD800s in BAL mode plus the extra voltage due to BAL use.

 

 

There is a neat graph in the first post of this very thread

 

post #379 of 833
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Originally Posted by NZheadcase View Post
 

 

Thanks for these impressions Chodi. This will factor heavily in my decision whether to get this amp or not. I can feel my wallet shaking a little bit in my bag. More punishment is on the way for it. It can sense it coming in the horizon. 

 

:atsmile:

You will be able to try two of the taurus's with the HD800's at least.. very soon :P

I am loving the taurus paried with the BDA-2 - gives the HD800 some bass!!

post #380 of 833
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Originally Posted by Revogamer View Post
 

You will be able to try two of the taurus's with the HD800's at least.. very soon :P

I am loving the taurus paried with the BDA-2 - gives the HD800 some bass!!

 

I'll bring along all my cans then. lol!

 

If I do get it, I will pair it up with a NAD M51.

post #381 of 833
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post

I have now been listening to my Taurus in full balanced mode with my HD800's enough to post comments. Aside from the power (gain) issue which I documented above a few comments on the sound. In balanced mode the Taurus presents a very large holographic soundstage. Instrument placement is specific and the best I have ever heard from any amp. Instrument separation is absolute as you can easily define the separate instruments in their own space regardless of how complex the music. I must qualify this by saying that I listen mostly to classical music. I find the tonal balance and timber of the instruments to be improved over single end. On well recorded music the perception of realism is uncanny. The bass response from the HD800 is a revelation, extremely tight and well defined. Having heard this fully balanced approach I could not comfortably go back to single end without missing that last level of detail and nuance that I get in balanced mode. I have not heard the cma800r that has received good reviews but I cannot imagine it topping the Taurus in balanced mode. Perhaps Project86 could expand on this as he has heard two cma800r in balanced mode vs. the Taurus. I can only say that for me the Taurus is end game material and this is coming from a guy that has been a tube lover all my life. I won't be going back to tubes after this experience. I'm now in the process of getting my other headphones terminated for balanced operation. 
Thanks for your thoughts. Are you running balanced inputs into the Taurus as well?
post #382 of 833
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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post

Folks, I'm still waiting on my Vega, most likely will take a week or two, but the interesting question is this:

Auralic Vega supports DSD and DXD, since DSD is essentially SACD, will I be able to buy actual (physical) SACD CDs and play them back through my PC?

Also, regarding the Taurus mk2, you people are scaring me from it, it seems like you say that because it is bright _like_ bryston BHA-1 which was really  really bright when I heard it, that is why it is transparent, which seems scary.

I have the Vega and Taurus Mk.II stack and bright is literally the last adjective I would use. It is incredibly rich and lush while having excellent detail. It has so much body I am actually considering a pair of HD800's wink.gif
post #383 of 833
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Thanks for your thoughts. Are you running balanced inputs into the Taurus as well?

Yes I am running balanced inputs from my dac so with my HD800 and the Taurus the system is totally in balanced mode. I should point out that I have only owned one other totally balanced system and that was a Stax system which I have since sold. The "Stax magic" didn't do it for me I think I would have had to go all the way up to the 009 with proper amp to get close to the sound I am getting now from my current setup. I wasn't willing to spend that much at the time.

post #384 of 833
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I have the Vega and Taurus Mk.II stack and bright is literally the last adjective I would use. It is incredibly rich and lush while having excellent detail. It has so much body I am actually considering a pair of HD800's wink.gif

Do it you won't be sorry. They are an incredible match and oh so comfortable.

post #385 of 833
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post
 

Do it you won't be sorry. They are an incredible match and oh so comfortable.

 

I have read in a russian forum review of a person who tried the HD800 and Auralic Vega and WA5-LE amp and some other stuff here's the direct link: http://forum.doctorhead.ru/index.php?showtopic=25173

 

 

Said that he thoroughly enjoyed the Auralic Vega, but pairing with HD800 is TMI and he didn't like that it wasn't very analog-like as in the sound was aggressive and in your face (again, TMI)

 

he concluded after having switched from USB to Coax that it improved things quite a bit still and made the sound much less in your face, so he finally concluded that statement:

 

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На самом деле я хотел написать объективный, взвешенный обзор, сухо описать достоинства и недостатка аппарата. Но получился как обычно эмоциональный бред) Вот такой он Auralic Vega - генератор эмоций.

 

translation: In reality I wanted to write an objective, thoughtful review, it's too dry describing the pros and cons of the device, but it happened like everyday emotional nonsense) That's what Auralic Vega is - Generator of Emotion.

 

 

Hehe ^_^

post #386 of 833

Great Taurus seems to get a wider fanbase now, it had a sort of secret life first, but some nice prof. reviews have been published the last months and there are also great impressions on this thread. Hope I can join you very soon, I maybe order one already monday :D. Looks like there is difference on using SE or balanced mode, both in regard of synergy, power and taste. My HE-500 in SE should be more lively than in balanced mode. Will be interesting to hear, but first I have to choose the right balanced cable for HE-500. I´m not sure what you guys find a good cable buy, when you live in Europa ? Anybody tried one from toxic cables (UK) ?             


Edited by Larryonfire - 3/27/14 at 3:15am
post #387 of 833
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Originally Posted by Larryonfire View Post
 

Great Taurus seems to get a wider fanbase now, it had a sort of secret life first, but some nice prof. reviews have been published the last months and there are also great impressions on this thread. Hope I can join you very soon, I maybe order one already monday :D. Looks like there is difference on using SE or balanced mode, both in regard of synergy, power and taste. My HE-500 in SE should be more lively than in balanced mode. Will be interesting to hear, but first I have to choose the right balanced cable for HE-500. I´m not sure what you guys find a good cable buy, when you live in Europa ? Anybody tried one from toxic cables (UK) ?             

Just thought I'd mention that the HE500 is already balanced. All you have to do is to remove the trs connector and solder the 4 wires to a 4 pin xlr. You will find complete instructions with pictures here:

 

http://robrobinette.com/BalancedCable.htm#Make_a_Four_Wire_Balanced_Line_Headphone_Cable_

 

Just thought I would save you some money.

post #388 of 833

Thanks Chodi, it would be much cheaper indeed with using the cable I have, but I like to try a better one than the stock cable, and two I´m no handy DIY cable guy at all :confused:. But I´m in no hurry, just in the research process.

 

Nice useful guide by the way.      

post #389 of 833

For what it's worth - I use a balanced cable from Toxic Cables for my HE-500 and HE-6. Really nice stuff. 

post #390 of 833
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Originally Posted by Vitor Teixeira View Post
 

You're not alone :)

The Taurus is an excellent headphone amp, makes the HD800 feel like an absolutely brilliant headphone, no kiddin' beerchug.gif

Yes i agree with you. I just ordered mine and waiting to be delivered to my doorstep :)

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