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strawman suppositions again - Self, his "Blameless" concept, amps, writings don't define the whole of psychoacoustic theory informed EE audio amplifier designer's positions - Cordell has a competing Audio Power Amplifier book with completely different engineering solutions

 

Dr Geddes is one of very few actual acoustics PhD's - has worked, published in the field of audio perception and reproduction with his PhD psychoacoustics researcher wife in peer reviewed papers using controlled listening tests

 

he uses a $300 Pioneer HT amp to demo his $7k ea waveguide speakers - for surround, with his room treatments, multi sub setup it probably works out to ~1% of system cost in the amps

 

but most people don't have his knowledge - he measured a few amps before he found a "good one" that met his GedLee Metric research driven quality:

 

 

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You can believe it or not, but its true. I tested about five amps that I had and the Pioneer was the best.

People always take my statements out of context. Once one has good electronics - and clearly price and "personal perception" don't correlate with good - then the only thing that matters is the speaker and the room (source material being a given). I have never said that any piece of junk electronics is fine. Only that very inexpensive and readily available electronics place the electronics into the "insiginificant errors" category.

I know that this is not a popular position and it's not one that I have always held, but I have studied this problem intensely and this is my conclusion. It is, by the way, the same one as held by Flyod Toole and Lauri Fincham and a whole host of other well know audio researchers. It's amp designers and marketers who seem to hold contrary beliefs

 

 

 

its easy for the salesman to argue that you need to spend some large fraction on each piece of a system - if they can convince someone that $15k of amps are "reasonable" to go with $25k of speakers then a lot of people have made money from the customer's ignorance, or fashion sense, or audiophile connoisseur pretensions

 

who in industry wouldn't do as much as possible to promote, preserve anything that keeps such a profitable system going


Edited by jcx - 3/28/13 at 3:14pm
post #32 of 34
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Originally Posted by jcx View Post

 

its easy for the salesman to argue that you need to spend some large fraction on each piece of a system - if they can convince someone that $15k of amps are "reasonable" to go with $25k of speakers then a lot of people have made money from the customer's ignorance, or fashion sense, or audiophile connoisseur pretensions

 

 

The ideal ratio goes something like this:

 

35%of your budget on your cables

35% of your budget on your speekers

35% of your budget on your record player

35% of your budget on your sea dee player

35% of your budget on your amp....

 

Never make any mention of room acoustics and the realities of $10K speakers in what amounts to a large closet or anything else the stereo store cant make a hefty profit changing. 

post #33 of 34
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Originally Posted by nikongod View Post

 

The ideal ratio goes something like this:

 

35%of your budget on your cables

35% of your budget on your speekers

35% of your budget on your record player

35% of your budget on your sea dee player

35% of your budget on your amp....

 

Never make any mention of room acoustics and the realities of $10K speakers in what amounts to a large closet or anything else the stereo store cant make a hefty profit changing. 

At Charlie and Lucy's Hi-Fi Emporium, it's more like

Cables - 5 cents

Speekers - 5 cents.....

 

 

you get the picture.

post #34 of 34
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It seems there are posters who don't believe that capacitors can influence the sound reproduction .They say --"its all in the mind" and say they are "objectivists" science only everything else is "audiophoolery" I take it they listen "scientifically" as they reject  humanism even though they are human and listen and comment SUBJECTIVELY So in rejecting "capacitor sound" they are rejecting -SCIENCE so what does that make them?? The ADE and capacitor design engineer. Proved beyond a shadow of doubt -with graphs that capacitors like polyester had distortion products well above 0.001 % that can be heard by human beings. If this is proved scientifically then they are arguing against themselves and their anti-subjective philosophy  is defective. I have placed polyester caps at the input and the NEG feedback of JLH designed power amps  and have no problem telling the difference between them and good polyprop. as Johns amps are very open and detailed. Its said quote-I am not a true subjectivist because I also believe in science . Why cant you believe in both?? Humans listen to music produced by science. I don't have a problem with that but some take a black or white look .Life isn't like that there are reasons for everything some subjective -some scientific. Would an objective walking down the street had someone come up to him and say -I don't like you-and punched him in the face -Would he think---He has punched me --what does that mean? and stand there trying to work out what to do scientifically. While a subjective would say -don't like me -eh!!! and punches him back in the face. WE are not robots.therefore we FEEL -therefore we express our feelings in our love of music. There is no other way unless you know your next door neighbor is a Martian ands acts scientifically.  

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