Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › Quick: King of close back headphones still in production
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Quick: King of close back headphones still in production - Page 13

post #181 of 243
Quote:
Originally Posted by whoelse View Post

I know you from Brunei lah brother and you just went to Malaysia? or about to go? (Singlish)

I am not sure, I only went Jaben once to get Grado items once. I know it is a good place but when I was there it was packed with people :-)

Treoo.sg does have Hifiman, but I guess we need to audit them. Probably can be arrange since they are expensive.

Of corse lah brother my "location" says it all liao XD lol & was it you who mssged me last time? Lol 

 

anywhere, I just came back from KL. Not sure about Jaben service but I like Stereo's! 

post #182 of 243

i heard v6 in a sony store, it sounds decent for the price. i also heard the 1r, i thought the 1r sounded pretty good. if what the v6 and the cd900st share the same driver, does it mean i kind of have listened to the cd900st or are they nothing similar?

post #183 of 243
Quote:
Originally Posted by reddragon View Post

i heard v6 in a sony store, it sounds decent for the price. i also heard the 1r, i thought the 1r sounded pretty good. if what the v6 and the cd900st share the same driver, does it mean i kind of have listened to the cd900st or are they nothing similar?

My understanding is they neither share a driver, nor are similar sounding (the CD900ST are reportedly superior). The threads I linked to seem to support this, but I've yet to hear a CD900ST and it's been ages since I've heard most Sony headphones (I honestly don't even remember if I've tried the V6...).
post #184 of 243
Quote:
Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post


My understanding is they neither share a driver, nor are similar sounding (the CD900ST are reportedly superior). The threads I linked to seem to support this, but I've yet to hear a CD900ST and it's been ages since I've heard most Sony headphones (I honestly don't even remember if I've tried the V6...).

 

 

i see, thanks. btw, wait for christmas or something, the v6 may be down to 40 bucks smily_headphones1.gif out of sony, i have 2 10 bucks earbuds (they are different, one is the e10lp, the other is e818lp, the e818lp sounds better to my ears though i havent used them in ages, that opinion was from a year ago or something), a 5 bucks on ear headphone (the 110lp, never really used it that much, my impressions for ~a year ago was it lacked in the bass department and it doesnt do much for other things neither), xb500 (this one is staying though i seldom use it, its there whenever if i feel like being a basshead though realistically, im not a basshead and havent touched it for a long time), and finally my sony z1000 (at first, i wanted to get it for portable use but after trying to actually use it for a day or 2, decided against it and im now saving money to get my first ciem).  how about you? not much sony gears? what are your most used phones?

post #185 of 243
Quote:
Originally Posted by reddragon View Post


i see, thanks. btw, wait for christmas or something, the v6 may be down to 40 bucks smily_headphones1.gif
 out of sony, i have 2 10 bucks earbuds (they are different, one is the e10lp, the other is e818lp, the e818lp sounds better to my ears though i havent used them in ages, that opinion was from a year ago or something), a 5 bucks on ear headphone (the 110lp, never really used it that much, my impressions for ~a year ago was it lacked in the bass department and it doesnt do much for other things neither), xb500 (this one is staying though i seldom use it, its there whenever if i feel like being a basshead though realistically, im not a basshead and havent touched it for a long time), and finally my sony z1000 (at first, i wanted to get it for portable use but after trying to actually use it for a day or 2, decided against it and im now saving money to get my first ciem).  how about you? not much sony gears? what are your most used phones?

I've had a few Sony closed cans and in-ears over the years, and honestly don't remember much about any of them - none of them were particularly memorable or "amazing" to me (none were particularly expensive either). In addition to the SA5k and F1 (still have the F1), which were both quite good. And yeah, I remember seeing the V6 for like $35 last holiday season; seriously thought about it, but didn't do it. redface.gif

Most used 'phones is a much harder question. redface.gif
post #186 of 243
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillsonChang007 View Post

Of corse lah brother my "location" says it all liao XD lol & was it you who mssged me last time? Lol 

anywhere, I just came back from KL. Not sure about Jaben service but I like Stereo's! 

Yalah, we exchange couple of pm b4 wat. Lol
(This is Singlish lol)
post #187 of 243
Quote:
Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post


I've had a few Sony closed cans and in-ears over the years, and honestly don't remember much about any of them - none of them were particularly memorable or "amazing" to me (none were particularly expensive either). In addition to the SA5k and F1 (still have the F1), which were both quite good. And yeah, I remember seeing the V6 for like $35 last holiday season; seriously thought about it, but didn't do it. redface.gif

Most used 'phones is a much harder question. redface.gif

 

 

i havent heard the v6 before so didnt pull the trigger on the v6, if it goes down to 40 bucks again this holiday season, i probably will. on my short listen, i feel its comparable in sound quality to my koss tbse1 though i only had very limited time to listen to the v6 so will definitely need to listen again to be more certain. hows the sa5000? i heard they share driver with the sa3000... have you heard the sa3000 or even the sa1000? and is the sa5000 really the "poor man's qualia"?

post #188 of 243
Quote:
Originally Posted by reddragon View Post


i havent heard the v6 before so didnt pull the trigger on the v6, if it goes down to 40 bucks again this holiday season, i probably will. on my short listen, i feel its comparable in sound quality to my koss tbse1 though i only had very limited time to listen to the v6 so will definitely need to listen again to be more certain. hows the sa5000? i heard they share driver with the sa3000... have you heard the sa3000 or even the sa1000? and is the sa5000 really the "poor man's qualia"?

Nope, haven't heard the 3k or the 1k. I've read that the 1k are kind of fragile though, which is disconcerting. The 5k are a competent headphone in their own right, but they're also relatively cold and on the bright side - I like the F1 better to be completely honest. Comfort and build is top notch on both of them, but the F1 are more musical. No idea about the Qualia at all.
post #189 of 243

On the subject of V6s and CD900STs, I can't imagine them using the same drivers, because they sound completely different. While I can see them both being used in a professional setting, I can't imaging them being used for the same thing.

 

To me, the CD900STs don't really seem neutral enough for mixing or anything like that. Bass is much too light and lacks extension. Treble also lacks extension, and it's also not really all that sparkly. Just a little dry up top. I could see them being used to track vocals, though, since their mid range is so incredibly detailed, and just true to the singer's live voice.

 

The V6's by comparison are a bit bassy, and a bit treble emphasized. Despite those two things, I think they are still more neutral than the CD900STs, and could see them used for mixing, as long as you're aware of those (small) issues.

 

The original 7509s are yet another flavor from Sony in their professional line, but those are discontinued. Those were a neat headphone though. They were much more bassy than either the V6s or the CD900STs, but they also had the nicest treble of the three. Superb extension, with a slight bump in the upper treble. It took a little getting used to, but it gave them a really interesting flavor I've never really heard in a headphone. Ultrasones are similar, but they usually had a slightly lower-range treble emphasis. They also didn't have nearly as nice of mids. The 7509s had an incredibly lush mid range, that never got lost in the bass, and never sounded withdrawn.

 

I'd really love the chance to hear a pair of Z1000s or 7520s. Sony seems to make a lot of great closed headphones, so I'm always down for hearing more of them. biggrin.gif

post #190 of 243
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kukuk View Post

On the subject of V6s and CD900STs, I can't imagine them using the same drivers, because they sound completely different. While I can see them both being used in a professional setting, I can't imaging them being used for the same thing.

To me, the CD900STs don't really seem neutral enough for mixing or anything like that. Bass is much too light and lacks extension. Treble also lacks extension, and it's also not really all that sparkly. Just a little dry up top. I could see them being used to track vocals, though, since their mid range is so incredibly detailed, and just true to the singer's live voice.

The V6's by comparison are a bit bassy, and a bit treble emphasized. Despite those two things, I think they are still more neutral than the CD900STs, and could see them used for mixing, as long as you're aware of those (small) issues.

The original 7509s are yet another flavor from Sony in their professional line, but those are discontinued. Those were a neat headphone though. They were much more bassy than either the V6s or the CD900STs, but they also had the nicest treble of the three. Superb extension, with a slight bump in the upper treble. It took a little getting used to, but it gave them a really interesting flavor I've never really heard in a headphone. Ultrasones are similar, but they usually had a slightly lower-range treble emphasis. They also didn't have nearly as nice of mids. The 7509s had an incredibly lush mid range, that never got lost in the bass, and never sounded withdrawn.

I'd really love the chance to hear a pair of Z1000s or 7520s. Sony seems to make a lot of great closed headphones, so I'm always down for hearing more of them. biggrin.gif

This makes all three of them sound very enticing. jecklinsmile.gif
Edited by obobskivich - 4/3/13 at 1:53am
post #191 of 243
Quote:
Originally Posted by whoelse View Post


Yalah, we exchange couple of pm b4 wat. Lol
(This is Singlish lol)

I see! No wonder lor, your name sibeh familiar! Lol, not so "Toh Kong" in Singlish XD

 

anywhere people, does V6 = MDR-7506? 

 

Billson :)

post #192 of 243
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillsonChang007 View Post

I see! No wonder lor, your name sibeh familiar! Lol, not so "Toh Kong" in Singlish XD

anywhere people, does V6 = MDR-7506? 

Billson smily_headphones1.gif

Yes, V6 is/are 7506; iirc this has been confirmed down to matching part numbers, except for the cable.
post #193 of 243
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kukuk View Post

On the subject of V6s and CD900STs, I can't imagine them using the same drivers, because they sound completely different. While I can see them both being used in a professional setting, I can't imaging them being used for the same thing.

 

To me, the CD900STs don't really seem neutral enough for mixing or anything like that. Bass is much too light and lacks extension. Treble also lacks extension, and it's also not really all that sparkly. Just a little dry up top. I could see them being used to track vocals, though, since their mid range is so incredibly detailed, and just true to the singer's live voice.

 

The V6's by comparison are a bit bassy, and a bit treble emphasized. Despite those two things, I think they are still more neutral than the CD900STs, and could see them used for mixing, as long as you're aware of those (small) issues.

 

The original 7509s are yet another flavor from Sony in their professional line, but those are discontinued. Those were a neat headphone though. They were much more bassy than either the V6s or the CD900STs, but they also had the nicest treble of the three. Superb extension, with a slight bump in the upper treble. It took a little getting used to, but it gave them a really interesting flavor I've never really heard in a headphone. Ultrasones are similar, but they usually had a slightly lower-range treble emphasis. They also didn't have nearly as nice of mids. The 7509s had an incredibly lush mid range, that never got lost in the bass, and never sounded withdrawn.

 

I'd really love the chance to hear a pair of Z1000s or 7520s. Sony seems to make a lot of great closed headphones, so I'm always down for hearing more of them. biggrin.gif

 

 

 

the z1000 indeed is a very good headphone, treble and mid, no complain, very good, clean, crystal clear, treble seems to extend well. bass has body though can use a bit more impact, tightness, and subbass presense. overall, the sound is balanced and enjoyable, pretty good for female vocal in my opinion. thats just purely my impression and i have not read any graphs on it. deadhorse.gif

post #194 of 243
Quote:
Originally Posted by reddragon View Post

i heard v6 in a sony store, it sounds decent for the price. i also heard the 1r, i thought the 1r sounded pretty good. if what the v6 and the cd900st share the same driver, does it mean i kind of have listened to the cd900st or are they nothing similar?
They aren't similar.
Quote:
Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post

That's a *huuuuge* stretch to be honest. Do you have actual P/Ns or a tear-down to confirm this?
CD900ST Replacement driver unit

MDR-V6/7506 driver


http://www.soundhouse.co.jp/shop/ProductDetail.asp?Item=680%5E1-542-492-11%5E%5E
Looks similar. Anyways, the driver unit costs about $20 each (though overseas shipping will probably make it quite a bit more expensive). Anyone with a V6/7506 want to buy it and see if it fits/sound the same?

As for part numbers. I don't think that is a good way to see if they are the same driver. One is from Sony Electronics, the other is from Sony Music. Different companies.
post #195 of 243
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThinkAwesome View Post

They aren't similar.
CD900ST Replacement driver unit

MDR-V6/7506 driver


http://www.soundhouse.co.jp/shop/ProductDetail.asp?Item=680%5E1-542-492-11%5E%5E
Looks similar. Anyways, the driver unit costs about $20 each (though overseas shipping will probably make it quite a bit more expensive). Anyone with a V6/7506 want to buy it and see if it fits/sound the same?

As for part numbers. I don't think that is a good way to see if they are the same driver. One is from Sony Electronics, the other is from Sony Music. Different companies.

A lot of drivers look like that from the front - the drivers in both of my ATs look like that, ignoring that they're the wrong size, should we be crying that AT is committing a "rebadge scandal" (this is where you're going with this, right?), and declare that they all sound the same because their drivers look similar to one another (ignore that they sound, and measure, quite different - they LOOK similar, and that's what counts, amirite?) and 40mm is very common (so does this mean if I can drop the drivers out of my Ultrasone or Koss headphones into a V6 housing, those are the same as well, and those companies are also just rebadging the V6? Again, ignore that it measures different - it would fit!). Sony has also pretty consistently used similar P/Ns across the board (and I do vaguely remember HiFiGuy contacting his "people" at Sony and they confirmed the CD900ST and V6 drivers have distinct P/Ns); this is how we know the SA3000 and SA5000 use the same driver assembly, for example, however those two headphones still measure differently (and are reported to sound different), because using the same drivers by itself doesn't guarantee an identical sound (there's more to it than that). But that said, you've also got a lot of people saying they sound different (both in this thread, and in threads that I've linked), who have compared both and disagree with your assertion that they're identical or even "very similar" - why can't you let this go?

And I'll qualify that I have absolutely no dog in this fight - I just think it's kind of odd how chained to this "the CD900ST are just the V6 that cost more!!!" thing...
Edited by obobskivich - 4/3/13 at 12:50pm
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Headphones (full-size)
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › Quick: King of close back headphones still in production